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Title: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: Jsavage00 on Tuesday 18 August 15 22:52 BST (UK)
My great-uncle was a No. 45 Royal Marine Commando.
He died in training on the 10th Oct 1945 in Worthing.
I have all the necessary information about him:
D.o.b: 2nd Dec 1922/23
Mothers maiden name: Compton
etc, etc
I have a thread on WW2 talk about him but i havent asked the question I am about to ask on there...

How comes there are no records of his death in training? A family member said that they were meant to be using blanks but he got shot with a live bullet...

I have not been able to find any newspaper articles about it at all!
The only things I have found is the war memorial website and his name in the honours..
I do not even have a photo all though he is said to look like my dad and I look my dad too... But that could only help in identifying him...
Thank you,
Jsavage00
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: mmm45 on Tuesday 18 August 15 23:39 BST (UK)
Hi
His service record is probably still with Ministry of Defence.You can apply for them from the Veterans agency website.There maybe more info contained in it.
because he died in UK There will also be a death certificate.

https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

Commando Veterans Association have a website maybe worth posting on there
http://forum.commandoveterans.org/cdoForum/forums/list.page

As you say he is on the CWGC site.

Ady
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: ScouseBoy on Wednesday 19 August 15 08:44 BST (UK)
There should have been a Board of Inquiry  into the death.  Or alternatively a Civilian Inquest.
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: Drew5233 on Wednesday 19 August 15 12:12 BST (UK)
I've just looked through the units diary for Oct 1945 and on the day of his death they were doing a lot of range work with live ammunition, zeroing weapons etc. I suspect he was killed in a range accident rather than some sort of exercise involving a mix up between live and blank ammunition. The unit was in the Eastbourne area at the time of his death.

Do you have a copy of his death certificate?
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: Jsavage00 on Wednesday 19 August 15 12:53 BST (UK)
Thank you drew and no i have no original certs, im just going of information
my family has said!
Thank you
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: Jsavage00 on Monday 02 May 16 16:09 BST (UK)
Update: After speaking to a family member, i found out that George's parents refused to take the medals and they got rid of everything. Apparently the MOD also covered his death up as he died in training. I do not know how i would go about this.
Thank you,
Jordan

[George Stanley 'Sonny' Hall. 45 RM Commando. PO/X 111875]
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: RRTB on Tuesday 03 May 16 21:32 BST (UK)
Ref his medals: it might be worthwhile contacting the MoD Medal Office and asking whether the medals could be (re)issued to you. It can do no harm to try, and if they say yes then they can inform you as to what you would need to supply them with in order to complete the request.

RRTB

 
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: ScouseBoy on Tuesday 03 May 16 21:39 BST (UK)
They would probably need the death certificate of the service man,   then they would want to know your relationship to the man.
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: RRTB on Tuesday 03 May 16 23:08 BST (UK)
When I approached them concerning one of my father's medals they didn't require a death certificate. They did need the details of his service, eg his regimental number, DoB, etc, and then they went into the records themselves even though I had sent them official copies which the Records Office had sent me! It took a while but was worth it in the end.

With the OP's relative's unfortunate situation of being killed during training, perhaps there could perhaps be other hoops to jump through I suppose.
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: Drew5233 on Wednesday 04 May 16 20:57 BST (UK)
Cause of death will be recorded on the death certificate. I wouldn't read too much into the military cover up side of things. There was far worse going on that wasn't covered up (to my knowledge) on exercises like Ex Tiger.
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: Jsavage00 on Wednesday 04 May 16 21:08 BST (UK)
Fortunately I know the cause of death and everything the death certificate would tell me.
Thank you anyway, Jordan
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 04 May 16 22:21 BST (UK)
He is still counted as a WW2 Death although the V Day Europe and Japan had occurred.

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1
Title: Re: George Stanley Hall 45 RM Commando
Post by: ScouseBoy on Wednesday 04 May 16 22:28 BST (UK)
Many men and women were still in the Middle East  and in the Pacific Theatre at that date.      It took many months  to administer the transition to Peace.

For example, my father was in Alexandria in the summer of 1945.        Until  Japan surrendered,  there were contingency plans to re-deploy soldiers from the Middle East to the Pacific Theatre.