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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: bmur on Friday 14 August 15 04:04 BST (UK)
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:)this is one old man requesting details of an even older man my grandfather William desmond Murphy born 1860, as far as I can recollect in the town of Tipperary (his eldest brother's name was John) my grandfather came to SA during the anglo -boer war 1899-1902 as RMS 1st Irish brigade & remained until his death 1954. (1) it is necessary to establish the details of his birth & place of birth
(certificate is required when applying for a passport) (2) to trace if there is a connection / relationship to the ancient Irish king Herremon. Regards
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Civil registration of births started in 1864 so there won't be a birth certificate.
Was William Desmond Murphy Catholic? If so Tipperary Parish records have a register with baptisms 1849-1868 (lots of other registers also)-
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0281
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat :)
I can t find a William DESMOND Murphy in army records, lots of W Murphys though. There is one born Tipperary, right age, who was in the Boer War and possibly stayed on in S A, he had a wife who died after only 2 years of marriage and a Daughter Mary Ellen....ring any bells?
Cathy
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bmur sent the following message to the moderating team via the 'report to moderator' button
message from aghadoway is received with thanks, I will definitely follow that route , thanks
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Thanks for passing the message on, dawnsh. Hopefully those records will help :)
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Hi Bmur,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
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Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Sarah thanks for info
I have received the following details from maggsie & cath 151 (1) date of birth 5.10.1860 (2) born county Tipperary (3) brother named John born 1856 (4) the following still to be confirmed :- (1) was his wife's name Ellen (nee McGrath) (2) where can a 'vault' copy of his birth certificate be obtained and @ what cost ?
Thank you,
regards
Bmur
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Hello sarah thanks for speedy response much appreciated. Regards bmur
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As I already explained, civil registration of births started in 1864 so there are no birth certificates before that date.
Unfortunately, if people send information by PM the rest of us don't know what's been found, etc.
Have you checked the Parish Registers I mentioned earlier? (although you haven't confirmed if William was Catholic)
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Good evening aghadowey, please for give me I am battling with the tablet not sure how it works posting sending splitting you name it. w d Murphy was non catholic. Thank you for all your effort. I think it is time to pack it up .Regards
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If William Desmond Murphy wasn't Catholic then what religion would he have been? there's still a chance of finding his baptism although it may not be online
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Hi aghadowey thanks for your perseverance he was c of e /Anglican I believe (not a given) that at some stage he was studying for the clergy. I am also trying to find his Anglo-boer war (1899-1902) details / papers but is proving very difficult. Regards
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Good morning, still battling to find my grandfather's baptism records William Desmond Murphy born 9.10.1860 Co. Tipperary. His father's name Edmond, eldest brother John born 1856 My grandfather married Ellen Mc Grath @ St Marys, Clonmel 29.7.1900. Perhaps the records of the first census taken after 1860 would shed some light. Could you please advise what the date (year) of that census would be. Regards bmur.
Posted on behalf of bmur who had sent the message to me in error.
Regards
Sarah
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The next surviving census is 1901. do you have his marriage cert - if not here is a transcript.
29-Jul-1900
Parish / District: CLONMEL County: Co. Tipperary
Husband Wife
Name: William Murphy Ellen McGrath
Address: Unknown Clonmel
Denomination: Civil Parish Civil Parish
Occupation: SOLDIER BARMAID
Age: Full Age (Over 21) Full Age (Over 21)
Status: Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Edmond Murphy Laurence McGrath
Occupation: PUBLICAN
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Michael McGrath Nanno McGrath
Address:
Notes:
PRIEST;W MEAGHAER CC
HUSBANDS FATHER DEAD. WIFES FATHER DEAD.
annclare
And the church marriage gives William's mother's name
9-Jul-1900
Parish / District: St Mary's Parish County: Co. Waterford
Husband Wife
Name: William Murphy Ellen McGrath
Address: Kildare Irishtown
Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Edward Laurence
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name: Margaret Cochran Margaret Roache:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Michael McGrath Honor McGrath
Notes:
Officiator: MEAGHER G. Place: ST MARY'S CLONMEL. Comment:
*DECEASED**KILMOLASH.DISPENSATION FROM BANNS
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Good morning Annclare, this is wonderful revelation I have so little info & desperately need my grandfather's baptism records (no birth certificates before 1865) to apply for an Irish passport. Where would you recommended I try to obtain such a certificate. Regards bmur
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wonder if it might be easier to try and get the baptism record for your grandmother Ellen McGrath.
Information about applying for a passport http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/travel_abroad/passports/applying_for_or_renewing_an_irish_passport.html
annclare
Transcript of Ellen Mcgrath's baptism record
Ellen McGrath Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 25-Dec-1863
Address: Not Recorded Parish/District: ST MARY'S PARISH, CLONMEL
Gender: Female County Co. Tipperary
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Laurence McGrath Mother: Margaret Roache
Occupation: Not Recorded
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Michael Hickey Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Maria Halpin
If you write to the church in Clonmel they should be able to give you a baptismal certificate for Ellen.
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A little more complicated, Ellen (is not my grandmother) she passed away after two years of marriage. Being a soldier William came to South Africa during the Anglo-Boer war1899-1902. After the war he remained in SA and remarried thus all the difficulties. What now ? Just have to keep digging.Regards bmur........ hey , thanks for the info so far
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:)this is one old man requesting details of an even older man my grandfather William desmond Murphy born 1860, as far as I can recollect in the town of Tipperary (his eldest brother's name was John) my grandfather came to SA during the anglo -boer war 1899-1902 as RMS 1st Irish brigade & remained until his death 1954. (1) it is necessary to establish the details of his birth & place of birth
(certificate is required when applying for a passport) (2) to trace if there is a connection / relationship to the ancient Irish king Herremon. Regards
Hi Mr. Murphy, if you are still researching this information then I have a good amount of detail because I have been helping my cousin Liam Murphy in Ireland research the same family. Kevin.
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Unfortunately I have just learned that Benjamin Murphy Senior (bmur) passed away 2 years ago. This investigation was restarted 5 years later in another thread in this forum and all questions have been answered. See url below for the link to that conversation. Kevin.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825481.0