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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: colvin on Saturday 08 August 15 13:22 BST (UK)
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Having had very helpful advice from Rootchatters when I started researching my family tree, I am now asking for help or advice re a few brick walls I have come up against.
James Whitby born 1845 in Sorbie, Wigtownshire to parents Thomas Whitby and Elizabeth McCartney. Unable to find any further information.
Elizabeth Whitby (James's sister) born 1857, Sorbie, m James Duncan in Glasgow in 1884. Cannot find any further information.
John McGee, born 1886 to Thomas McGee and Mary Colvin. John and his two siblings were orphaned as young children and went to live with their maternal grandmother, Catherine Colvin, in Cambusnethan. They are all on the 1901 census but on the 1911 census John is missing. I can find no trace of him and it may be that he emigrated but with his name being so common and the variations in the spelling of his surname, I have been unable to find him.
I hope someone can help me break down these brick walls!
Anne
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If this is him with his family, the 1851 census notes that he was born in Glasserton.
Piece: SCT1851/897 Place: Sorbie -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Sorbie Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 867 Page: 2 Schedule: 6
Address: Barledziew Cottage
Surname First name(s) Rel StatusSex Age Occupation Where Born
WHITBY Thomas Head M M 31 Agricultural Labourer Ireland - -
WHITBY Elizabeth Wife M F 33 Ireland - -
WHITBY James Son - M 6 Scholar Wigtownshire, Glasserton
WHITBY Cathrine Dau - F 4 Wigtownshire - Glasserton
WHITBY Margaret Dau - F 2 Wigtownshire - Sorbi
WHITBY James Lodger M 25 Flax Dresser Ireland - -
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Thanks for your prompt reply, Rena. Don't know how I missed that. I have now found him on the 1861 census working as a farm labourer at a farm, of which I am unable to read the name. I will also have to see where the lodger fits into the family tree.
Anne
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Hello Anne,
1851 Census is on Anc**try but they have transcribed the family as Whitty and have not included James Whitby the lodger. (Thomas' brother perhaps?)
Regards, Dod.
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I have now found him on the 1861 census working as a farm labourer at a farm, of which I am unable to read the name.
Hi Anne,
You could post a cropping for us to have a look at what you can't read ;)
Annie
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Hello Anne,
1861 Census. Is this your James Whitby? Anc**try transcription. James Whiby, 16, Farm Servant, b Whithorn, Wigtownshire. Working for John Fraser, Isle Farm, Whithorn, Wigtownshire.
Regards, Dod.
Added. I would still post a cropping of farm name if you can. Anc**try transcriptions are not always accurate!
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Info. here, you could maybe write & get some pics ???
https://www.yell.com/biz/thomas-forsyth-newton-stewart-889250/
Pic on here
http://www.isleofwhithorn.com/historydetailagriculture.asp?DocumentID=12
Annie
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I have the interment details of Mary McGhie (sic) who died 1890 and 2 of her Colvin siblings, from the 19th century Cambusnethan burial records. Let me know if you need them.
Lodger
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you could maybe write & get some pics ???
No need. http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NX4737
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Thanks to all who replied to my post re James Whitby and for the lovely photographs of Isle Farm. I am now able to fit James into the family tree. I expect the lodger was a brother or, perhaps, a cousin of Thomas. I am going to follow that up.
Lodger, I would love to have any information you have on the Colvin family buried at Cambusnethan. There was a big family of them, one of whom was my G Grandfather, Terence, who died in 1895. His first wife was Mary Andrew who died in 1886 and his second wife was Jessie McKnight, who died in 1922. I have a cutting from the local newspaper, giving a glowing obituary for her. She was a prominent figure and a schoolteacher. Her daughter, Margaret, also a schoolteacher, died in 1932, If you have any information on the above, I would be pleased to receive it.
I now look forward to someone able to help me with the other missing ancestors.
Anne
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Hi Anne,
I have dabbled in the McGhie, McGhee, McGee families in Cambusnethan so have done some searches online via ScotsP and I can tell you that a John McGhee died in Cambusnethan aged 74 in 1961 with a notation of his other name as 'McGee'. If your 1911 search for him was limited to Cambusnethan only then you wouldn't necessarily find him if he was working in another locality at the time. It's not to say he left Scotland's shores even though that's a possibility too.
Regards, Sage
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Here's what I have for the Colvin family in Cambusnethan Cemetery, Wishaw.
All dates are of interment. (My records end at 1917).
JAMES COLVIN, Overtown, aged 11 years.
Parents - John Colvin & Catherine O'Neil.
Interred in Public Ground, 18th February 1868.
MARY COLVIN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 25 years, married.
Parents - James Andrew & Mary Moore.
Interred in plot C520, 19th February 1886.
MARY McGHIE, housewife, Wishaw, aged 32 years, married.
Parents - John Colvin & Catherine O'Neil.
interred in plot C465, 14th October 1890.
TERRENCE COLVIN, railway signalmen, Wishaw, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - John Colvin & Catherine O'Neil.
Interred in plot C520, 22nd March 1895.
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Thanks, Sage. I have spent lots or time and money on SP looking up John McGee (various spellings}, all over Scotland but have had no luck. I remember my mother saying that her father had said they had a relative in America or Canada but knew nothing more. I just wondered if this could be John McGee. I have nothing else to go on.
Lodger. Thank you for the interment notes on the Colvin family. It is interesting to see that Terence is interred with his first wife, Mary, although his second wife is still alive.
Anne