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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Keithtug on Monday 03 August 15 11:27 BST (UK)
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I've been searching for marriages in Pateley Bridge in 1818, but can't find any! ??? I've looked in Bishop's Transcripts, Ancestry & FindMyPast without any luck. Have they gone missing like the 1841 census for Bewerley? Can anyone help? Unfortunately I can't travel to Pateley Bridge to have a look at the records.
Keith
PS. I've just had a look and there doesn't seem to be any Baptisms or Burials for 1818 either.
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Just found this interesting article in Rootsweb:
I wonder if this had anything to do with the missing records.
Keith
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Have you looked on familysearch as the IGI says it has there records for Pateley Bridge
Pateley Bridge
C009703 1813-1844 E009702
C009704 1715-1812 M009701 1754-1778
P009701 1582-1590 M009702 1551-1715
P009702 1551-1715 M009703 1813-1836
M009704 1715-1812
C&P = baptismns
E&M = Marriages
However I did not see a marriage in 1818. Also a lot of Pateley Bridge events actually took place in Ripon - well they do have a nice big cathedral ! ;)
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Thanks David,
I'll investigate the IGI records.
Keith
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Have you looked at the Borthwick Institute's catalogue?
http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/
It could be that not everything has been made available on line.
Nanny Jan
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Thanks Nanny Jan,
I had a look at the Borthwick Institute's Catalog, but could not find anything that referred to 1818,
FindMyPast has all the records covering a large period which includes 1818, but they are not there.
Keith
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What are the names of the people you are hoping to find a marriage for ?
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I've found a few newspaper articles dated August 1819 reporting the proceedings of the Consistory Court at York in July 1819 about William Neeson's behaviour and neglect of his duties.
It was the year after the missing records but there may be a connection.
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Thanks LizzieL,
I'll have to investigate the newspapers. It would have been a shock to his parishioners to find out!
David, I was looking for any Births, Marriages and Deaths for anyone with the surname JOY, especially if they came from Greenhow Hill in Bewerley, just across the river Nidd. I know there was a branch of the JOYs in Bishopside, but I have yet to find the connection.
Keith
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OK I was going to see if they were in Ripon registers, but they are not (no JOY entries there from 1815 to 1820)
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So you want a link for St Cuthberts Pateley Bridge records!
http://www.calverley.info/home.htm
Look for Nidderdale church records.
You should be o'k there. ::)
Brian
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Thanks for trying, David.
Brian, I've had a look and the records just jump from 1817 to 1819, Just the same as everywhere else I've tried ???. It looks like the parish records are hiding for 1818!!
Thanks for trying everyone
:D
PS LizzieL where did you see the newspaper articles, please?
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The newspapers were on FindMyPast, I expect they're on British newspaper Archive as they are both Brightsolid sites.
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Thanks LizzieL,
I've had a look at the newspaper reports. ::) And I thought Vicars were pillars of the establishment! :o
Keith
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I suppose there will always be a few who for some reason or another don't live up to expectations.
Maybe some tragic event drove him to drink, or he had a medical condition which nowadays could be diagnosed and possibly treated or at least alleviated. One report said he was uttering profanities and neglecting duties. Whether this was the alcohol or some mental disorder who knows.
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Another interesting twist to this story (well, to me anyway!). My 3x grt grandfather & mother were the last people to get married by the Reverend William Neesom in Pateley Bridge on 20 Jun 1819.
He was still officiating at Baptisms and Funerals until 19/20 Jul 1819, after which other ministers took over. I'm looking at the Bishop's Transcripts for my information, so the Parish Records might show a different story. I really will have to get up to Pateley Bridge before I kick the bucket ;D
Keith
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I've just looked up the burial of the Reverend William Neesom (they didn't strip him of his title, then) it was 19 April 1820. Whether all his trouble hastened his end, I don't know. He was 65 years old.
Keith
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I think the date of the (church) court where the Archbishop sacked him was on the 22nd July 1819. That ties in nicely with records of him officiating up until a couple of days before.
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I've just found another newspaper from 1809 (ten years before he was sacked). It reports the names and moneys paid to clergyman from a charity set up to help poor clergyman. William received £53 to support 9 children. He is included on some online trees, but they seem to be short of a couple of children if the newspaper was right. William would have been about 54 in 1809 and I would have thought the two oldest sons would be old enough to support themselves.
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just a thought but if you have not already why not email the archives and ask them if they have copies of the registers and if they can look to see if there are any marriages in 1818 in the actual registers. Tell them you have looked at the bishops transcripts and you are trying to find if there is a difference between the actual registers and the bishops transcripts, as there sometimes are.
According to Genuki the registers are deposited at North Yorks Archives (Northallerton) and not West Yorkshire where some of the transcripts are
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The BTs depended on the priest or some clerk copying them out and if Rev Neesom was a bit derelict in his duties he may not have bothered for that year. It looks as if the church was pretty derelict then and it was closed in 1826 and a new one built in a more convenient location in the town.
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David,
thank you for that information, I'll get in touch with North Yorks Archives to see if they can help.
I'm still not up to speed on where I can find information ::)
Keith
LizzieL,
that's why I thought a look at the original registers would be the way to go. Thanks.
Keith
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I have often wondered about this year gap in the records, it has been interesting to read your ideas. Shame I have nothing to add, except possibly that St Marys was closed for a while. It was a chapelry of Ripon at the time and folk may have had to go there for marriages. A check of Ripon's records for that year might give clues.