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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: racheljoyce on Wednesday 29 July 15 09:01 BST (UK)
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Benjamin moved south to Hunslet where he married Esther Balmforth in Rothwell in 1832. After a few years in Hunslet the family moved to Oulton.
Benjamin was a master tailor and clearly stated he was born in Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland on 1851 and 1861 census records.
First children named Joseph, John, George, Charles.
I wondered if anyone had any clues?
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Not in Northumberland but may be worth seeing if this one is on 1841/1851 Census at all;
Benjamin WALKER Baptised 26 Nov 1806, Holy Trinity, Sunderland, Durham
Parents JOSEPH/HANNAH Walker
Mother nee HERNSHAN
Fathers Occp Potter
Notes;
Benj 2nd son of Jos Walker of Stoke Sts by Hannah Hernshan of Doncaster
FileNumber 18272
(Source FreeREG)
I cant find any other Children to this Couple in Durham or Northumberland.
Trish :)
EDIT;
1841 Census
Pontefract, Yorkshire
HO107/1310/10/Pontefract
Joseph WALKER, 60, Potter, not born in County
Hannah, 55
Hannah, 20
Charles, 15, Potter
1851 Census Joseph is a Pauper born c 1779 Stoke, Staffordshire
Wife Hannah c 1783 Doncaster
So works with 1806 Baptism details.
Although Baptism may have Hannahs surname wrong (may have been hard to read for Transcriber)
Marriage Familysearch.Org;
Joseph WALKER to Hannah ERENSHAW, 17 July 1803, York, England
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Thanks for suggestion but I feel sure he was born in Northumberland...just keep trying! :)
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This looks a good fit, it would be useful if you knew if he had a middle name
Name: Benjamin Gaull Walker
Christening Date: 24 Jul 1805
Christening Place: ST ANDREW PAR REG AND NONCONF ,NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1805
Father's Name: Benjamin Walker
Mother's Name: Sarah Gaul
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J99F-VZV
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ft2/
The second link is an extract from the bishops transcripts and tells you where the parents come from
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This looks a good fit, it would be useful if you knew if he had a middle name
Name: Benjamin Gaull Walker
Christening Date: 24 Jul 1805
Christening Place: ST ANDREW PAR REG AND NONCONF ,NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1805
Father's Name: Benjamin Walker
Mother's Name: Sarah Gaul
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J99F-VZV
I found that one :D
Then I also found a burial of a Benjamin Gaull Walker aged 16 in 1821 (i.e. born c. 1805) in Berkshire :-\
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Yes I had tried Benjamin Gaul Walker - for sure not the right Benjamin....but maybe from same family up north. :)
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Thanks for suggestion but I feel sure he was born in Northumberland...just keep trying! :)
What makes you certain he was born in Northumberland?
Quite often people give their place of birth as the earliest place they remember rather than where they were actually born. He could have been born in Sunderland but his parents moved to Newcastle on Tyne when he was very young.
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I found that one :D
Then I also found a burial of a Benjamin Gaull Walker aged 16 in 1821 (i.e. born c. 1805) in Berkshire :-\
Ah that's a shame, yes the father came from Berkshire
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also Benjamin was a tailor at christening of first son Joseph in 1831 and thereafter - then master tailor...usually a family connection?
Have a feeling I won't be solving this one....but many thanks to you all.
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Hi
I would not discount Trish's post 1, there is a Newcastle under Lyme, near Stoke, in Staffordshire which would tie up with the father, he may have mixed the area's up
Margp
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Although Baptism may have Hannahs surname wrong (may have been hard to read for Transcriber)
The BT's have her surname as Hannah Hernshaw
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11076-34562-31?cc=1309819&wc=9K5M-GP6:13618101,32548301,1077225001
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Ok I am going to thoroughly explore the possibility that Benjamin was born quite near Newscastle on Tyne....both 1851 and 1861 census records firmly state Northumberland but Sunderland isn't that distant...thanks again
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As I said earlier - don't totally discount the possibility that he was born elsewhere but lived in Newcastle upon Tyne from an early age, therefore thought he'd been born there.
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Still inconclusive BUT Joseph and Hannah's later children Hannah & Charles were christened in Rothwell in 1819 & 1822 and Benjamin married there in 1832....only connection to date.
Wish I could trace their 1st child and any others but no luck.
Thanks again.
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Hi
Check out he marriages for Hannah and Charles, to see if there is a connection there, re witnesses
Margp
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There is a possible earlier child to this couple - Margaret born to Joseph Walker and Ann Earnshaw, baptised Doncaster (the Sunderland baptism states Hannah was a native of Doncaster).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQS4-X7X
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I am afraid the only Walker witness was William at their marriages....don't know who he was so very unhelpful. Added to that Charles was a potter like his father so the connection is getting less convincing...shame. :-\
To reply re Margaret christened 1809 in Doncaster - Benjamin was christened in Sunderland in 1806 and his possible siblings in Rothwell in 1819 and 1822....did they move around so much?
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Hi
There is also this one
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J749-6HX
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Will check that one out if I can trace image...... :)
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To reply re Margaret christened 1809 in Doncaster - Benjamin was christened in Sunderland in 1806 and his possible siblings in Rothwell in 1819 and 1822....did they move around so much?
Yes - they were much more mobile than we give them credit for.
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I am afraid the only Walker witness was William at their marriages....don't know who he was so very unhelpful. Added to that Charles was a potter like his father so the connection is getting less convincing...shame. :-\
It is indeed possible we aren't going after the right family, but I don't understand why the fact that Charles was a potter makes this family less likely :-\ :)
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I just feel that as Joseph was a potter and his son Charles followed him as so often happened then Benjamin being a tailor doesn't fit in so well.
I feel I really am stretching some of the connections.
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Joseph Walker christened in 1815 Rothwell was not their child - his father was John, an iron moulder of Low Gozlem.
I think I need a break right now......thanks so much for trying everyone!
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Not following the Fathers trade is not unusual then just as it is now days.
I have a Market Gardener who had 2 Sons follow his trade, another became a Blacksmith and another a Publican.
Trish :)
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I am still thinking about the family as possibly correct. Margaret christened in 1809 in Doncaster was 'to Joseph potter' so looks like the same family.
I'll keep researching.
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Just to let all those who have helped along the way that I have decided to go with christening in Sunderland to Joseph Walker and Hannah Earnshaw.
I have Joseph's christening in Stoke on Trent and Hannah's in Doncaster.
Thanks again especially to Trish. I rarely use FreeReg and would have missed it.
:)
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I have Joseph's christening in Stoke on Trent and Hannah's in Doncaster.
RachelJoyce, please could you say which Joseph you mean? Either way, I'd be very interested to know more about his christening in Stoke.
If you mean the Joseph Walker who married Hannah Earnshaw in 1803, we know from the 1851 census that he was born in Stoke, but I wonder how you narrowed down the options at that point? I came across a Stoke baptism on 9 August 1781 to William and Hannah Walker; is this the one you mean? (More conjecturally still, I found Joseph these siblings: Thomas, Myra and Charles.) Finally, and most conjecturally of all, the only plausible Staffs. marriage I could find between William Walker and Hannah X was on 12 February 1763, in Stoke, between WW and Hannah Simpson.
But perhaps the Joseph you're referring to, the one whose christening in Stoke you've managed to find, is a brother to the Benjamin about whom you initially enquired, ie, a son to Joseph Walker and Hannah Earnshaw. This would solve one problem: the fact that Benjamin's baptismal record identifies him (Benjamin) as the second son; that his elder brother would be called Joseph after his father would make sense (and Benjamin himself would have been named for his maternal grandfather, or perhaps for the biblical Joseph/Benjamin link). As I haven't been able to find this Joseph - eldest son of Joseph and Hannah - I'd be very interested indeed in his christening. One problem: why was he baptised in Stoke? True, his father - the elder Joseph - had been born there, but the elder Joseph was already "of Castleford" (in Yorkshire) when he married Hannah in 1803.
I really look forward to hearing more about your researches into this family over the past few years since this thread was last active. Many thanks.
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Gosh over 5 years ago when I asked that question - had to try to remind myself,
I researched this family for a friend whose gt grandfather was Benjamin in question.
The Joseph (1781-1854) was his father who married Hannah Earnshaw.
I see I have a William Walker marriage to a Hannah Done in 1771 in Leigh Staffs.
I do have Mira and Charles too as their children.
I am sorry not to be more helpful as it hasn't been on my mind for over 5 years now.
I have researched so many trees for friends!
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Gosh over 5 years ago when I asked that question - had to try to remind myself,
I researched this family for a friend whose gt grandfather was Benjamin in question....
I am sorry not to be more helpful as it hasn't been on my mind for over 5 years now.
I have researched so many trees for friends!
Thanks for this. Joseph was my 3rd-great-grandfather, so I'd be interested in the work you did on Benjamin for your friend. Are you willing to share it - and, if so, how do we correspond privately so as not to tie up this RootsChat thread? Apologies for not knowing the protocol.
If your friend has used 23andMe, AncestryDNA or a similar service, that would be interesting, as we might (just possibly) be matched, though our MRCA was a long time ago.
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I really have nothing more to add to Benjamin and the family.
My friend wouldn't have used any of the services you suggest. I did this research for her as a gift from her husband and not because she was pursuing her ancestry.
I used to research a great deal but my interests have changed lately.
All the best with your family research