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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: jettejjane on Tuesday 28 July 15 14:42 BST (UK)
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What I need is a book entitled "Understanding DNA Testing in Ancestry for Dummies"! Because I feel a complete Dummy trying to understand this subject. I am not ashamed to admit ignorance and ask for help.
I apologise if this subject has been raised before. I sort of understand the gist of it. From the Y chromosome ( the paternal line) ethnicity and country of origin can be found, migration patterns and maybe even infidelity and illegitimacy. I appreciate that will be of help to widen the ancestor searches. I wont go into the female mitro- thingy one just yet, one thing at a time.
My only knowledge of DNA before this was its use in identifying perpetrators of crimes by taking a sample of their DNA and matching with that found at a crime scene. Or for proving paternity/sex of a baby.
However, what I am struggling to understand is how it can find genetic relatives. Would this not depend on the individuals being alive and also having taken the test?
Some people say they have found long lost ancestors gong back 100's of years. I have also read that individuals in a certain area with same surname as say mine can be found and offered up as [potential ancestors. I have heard others say it has enable them to get back to 1500's and prove they are related to nobility. I really find it hard to get my head around all this.
I have been onto many google sites but cannot find answers to my questions and some explanations are a bit technical for me!
Please feel free to contradict me and put me straight however you see fit. Bearing in mind that I don't do "technical" keep it simple and be patient with me please!
Jane - Confused of Sussex :o
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Jane - Looking forward to some insight too. I can't believe so much about ancestors can be found from our DNA.
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It is a totally confusing subject. You are not alone. I have done some reading on the subject and it still puts my head in a spin. ;)
However, what I am struggling to understand is how it can find genetic relatives. Would this not depend on the individuals being alive and also having taken the test?
Yes is the answer to this question. If none of your 'possible' relatives from anywhere in the world have tested then you won't find a match. Even if you do find a match, some are so remote that you may never find a paper trail to connect them.
I think it's like many things, you only hear of the success stories so can get a skewed viewpoint. My OH had a 67 marker YDNA test - he has one of the most common names in the UK and I have discovered his ancestors had many children. He does not have one single match with the same surname as himself, and altogether I think has 4 matches at 12 markers (which means nothing).
Having said all of that, the more people who test, the more possible matches that will be out there. So you live in hope. :)
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Jane - Looking forward to some insight too. I can't believe so much about ancestors can be found from our DNA.
Lizzie, glad I am not the only one!
Look forward to being educated ;D
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Rootschat has its own section on DNA testing
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/ancestral-family-tree-dna-testing/
OK I admit there is a lot of chaff in there but there is also a lot of useful information complete with links to other sites and videos (usually on youtube). Give it a go it might answer your questions, as well as give you some more to think about ;)
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It is a totally confusing subject. You are not alone. I have done some reading on the subject and it still puts my head in a spin. ;)
Ruskie another like minded soul. Making me feel better all the time, and not so inadequate that I find it hard to grasp.
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Rootschat has its own section on DNA testing
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/ancestral-family-tree-dna-testing/
OK I admit there is a lot of chaff in there but there is also a lot of useful information complete with links to other sites and videos (usually on youtube). Give it a go it might answer your questions, as well as give you some more to think about ;)
Thanks. I tried that and it was too confusing! I have to admit I gave up and maybe missed some of the easy to understand bits, if there were any!
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Yep. I get to a point where I think I am grasping it. But then I realise ... nope. ::)
Interesting subject though. My OH, my father and myself have all had tests. No useful matches though. :) (I have been a bit slack in chasing mine up because a couple of the closer matches I found through googling their names I know are dead ::))
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Yep. I get to a point where I think I am grasping it. But then I realise ... nope. ::)
Interesting subject though. My OH, my father and myself have all had tests. No useful matches though. :) (I have been a bit slack in chasing mine up because a couple of the closer matches I found through googling their names I know are dead ::))
Ruskie, yes it is an interesting subject. What sparked this was the Chatroom last night. A couple of people said they had done really well, found relatives were related to nobility etc. and would highly recommend it. A lone voice (mine) showed their ignorance by asking what it was all about. From the few replies I still didn't quite grasp how it could work like that, hence the post here and a lot of googling last night!
I even discussed it with my OH who has no interest in my research whatsoever, but is better than me at understanding science type things! He actually agreed with me that it would not be possible to find living or dead relatives without them having contributed DNA samples.
If it is as easy as some people believe hubby could give a DNA sample. Find his father's real father (both gents dead) . Apparently it was hushed up in the family but his Grandma was a bit of a naughty lass and he was not the son of her husband. All we know is the chaps name which was given to his Dad as a middle name, it was all very hush hush!
Can I ask what did your results tell you? I assume from your comments you got some matches and hubby didn't? Was it all you thought it would be and worth the money.
Sorry for all questions but I am really curious, I don't honestly think it would be something I would even contemplate doing unless it could find my pre 1600 relatives!
Jane ;)
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I think autosomal DNA, or recombinant DNA can be used but it seems to wear off after about 5 or 6 generations. If you want to find the alleged father of an illegitimate child was the father then this is a good way, providing the illegitimacy happened within 4 or 5 generations. However as some books say, you can use other ways such as old photos and compare the facial features if any pics exist or other traits in the alleged fathers family and the child's family etc.
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I think autosomal DNA, or recombinant DNA can be used but it seems to wear off after about 5 or 6 generations. If you want to find the alleged father of an illegitimate child was the father then this is a good way, providing the illegitimacy happened within 4 or 5 generations. However as some books say, you can use other ways such as old photos and compare the facial features if any pics exist or other traits in the alleged fathers family and the child's family etc.
The first sentence has lost me! Too technical. Regarding hubbies father's father. All we know is its true and fathers name. We can maybe guess where grandmother met him and possibly what he was doing. Not many leads to follow. We know her husband not the father he died over 1 year before son ? was born.There are no photos of him as it was swept under the carpet.
Once again was a bit of a jokey example of what i think. Sorry can't help injecting my weird humour into replies.
I have searched high and low for this man with nothing to go on except name and family guesswork.
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Jane - I've got ancestors who were nobility, but I've traced them the old fashioned way via BMDs, then parish records and wills, then Burkes Peerage etc. I've also visited the villages where some of them lived and seen their houses (which were listed in very old wills), and seen their names on gravestones and other church records. I doubt I would have found all that out just by having a DNA test carried out.
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Recombinant DNA is what you inherit from both your parents, who inherited it from their parents. And regarding the illegitimacy I was not strictly referring to your OH's case in his ancestry Jane but in general.
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Jane - I've got ancestors who were nobility, but I've traced them the old fashioned way via BMDs, then parish records and wills, then Burkes Peerage etc. I've also visited the villages where some of them lived and seen their houses (which were listed in very old wills), and seen their names on gravestones and other church records. I doubt I would have found all that out just by having a DNA test carried out.
Lizzie, to quote the Punch and Judy shows, "that's the way to do it". Well done, should I call you your Ladyship, lol ;D I like the old fashioned way too.
I am still not convinced that DNA is the way to go, well not for me anyway..I wish I had more time for my research, I can't do it justice at the moment. I'm sure I have said before i work full time. Can't do visits to records offices and places my lot lived, apart from home town of Arundel. Have a wedding and grandchild coming soon as well. Thrilled to say he will be William after my dad. Probably mentioned that so many times in here, sorry very excited.
Am i right in thinking you may live close to me?
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Recombinant DNA is what you inherit from both your parents, who inherited it from their parents. And regarding the illegitimacy I was not strictly referring to your OH's case in his ancestry Jane but in general.
All a bit over my head you are too technical and much more dedicated and knowledgeable than I am. It just emphasizes how little I know. It sounded to me you were commenting on my case, but what do I know, I frequently read the wrong thing into replies. That said I am happy bumbling along my way and enjoy rootschat and the various posts I enter into. I also learn a lot too and get help. My biggest problem is I say too much and try and inject humour into replies which sometimes is misunderstood.
Please don't take this the wrong way.
Jane ;)
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Jane, if you have a name for mystery grandfather, I am not sure that a DNA test will provide what you are looking for, which seems to be more information about the man. Most people who take DNA tests for paternity reasons are looking for the name. You already have that. Presuming that is his real name. ;)
I took a familyfinder test which gives results on both maternal and paternal lines. A big old mish mash if you like. I thought it might be fun and in my case I knew which results would belong to which side of my family. It might be more difficult or confusing if (as far as you are aware) both maternal and paternal are from the UK - then you would not be sure which results belonged to which side of your family.
You asked about my results :
I got a nice coloured map showing ethnic percentages.
I got 159 pages of matches (7 per page) from 2nd to 4th cousin matches to 5th and remote matches. I've been very slack and not contacted any of them. oops.
I got a page called "chromosome browser" (a diagram) which I don't know what to do with.
And that is more or less it.
As more Americans than others take these tests any matches will usually be skewed that way. Oddly enough I have quite a number of matches in Lithuania which is a bit of a surprise - maybe they take a lot of DNA tests in that part of the world. ;D
I hope you get more responses from others who know what they're talking about and understand more than I do (which is not hard). ;) :)
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Jane - No I don't live that close to you, I'm in Hampshire. I remember sometime ago when I went to Tunbridge Wells for a long weekend that you'd said if you'd known, we could have met up and you'd have shown us around. That was you wasn't it?
Don't think I'm "Your Ladyship". The line that started out as Lords and Knights descended after quite a few generations to a death in a workhouse. :( Still we picked ourselves up but not as far as nobility.
Lizzie
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Jane, if you have a name for mystery grandfather, I am not sure that a DNA test will provide what you are looking for, which seems to be more information about the man. Most people who take DNA tests for paternity reasons are looking for the name. You already have that. Presuming that is his real name. ;)
You asked about my results :
I got a nice coloured map showing ethnic percentages.
I got 159 pages of matches (7 per page) from 2nd to 4th cousin matches to 5th and remote matches. I've been very slack and not contacted any of them. oops.
I got a page called "chromosome browser" (a diagram) which I don't know what to do with.
And that is more or less it.
Jane - No I don't live that close to you, I'm in Hampshire. I remember sometime ago when I went to Tunbridge Wells for a long weekend that you'd said if you'd known, we could have met up and you'd have shown us around. That was you wasn't it?
Don't think I'm "Your Ladyship". The line that started out as Lords and Knights descended after quite a few generations to a death in a workhouse. :( Still we picked ourselves up but not as far as nobility.
Lizzie
Ruskie, thanks. Regarding mystery man not 100% sure of Christian name only surname. Thanks also for sharing results and your replies, believe it or not they have helped. I think for the moment will continue purchasing certs hoping they give me answers. So far only had 1 failiure.
Lizzie, I am west Sussex so next door county. So close ish. My youngest lives in Southsea. Always willing to meet anyone and show them Arundel, and probably bore them to death :o Tunbridge Wells no not me! Although some Redman's settled there never been.
Not yet had any glowing reports on this subject. Anyone out there who can join in with success stories?
Jane :)
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Jane I wish you well in your search :)
What I am about to say may add to the confusion but I hope not. To me DNA results are a bit like a betting pool. The more who enter the bigger the pot. And if everyone said '' I will wait till it gets more names '' will be the cause of the pool not growing
Its kind of like opposite thinking. I wont do it until everyone else does. If everyone thought like that then of course the pool will be small.
Yes you do need people to have done the test. But they no longer need be alive. If you are sure of Surname then a DNA test will/should match up with people who have the same surname and are MORE likely to be related to YOUR man.
My example is this. My GGGG Grandfather is a mystery man. We have a name and surname and the family have used this name since 1860. Yet there is no link back to England for us to search further. There is a suggestion he changed his name as he was a convict and wanted to live a trouble free life.
What needs to happen now is for me to contact one of my cousins who are directly - male through male- connected to Richard to take a DNA test. What I hope this will do is throw up Surnames of people with similar/matching DNA that I can then search for in England and try and link up.
eg if the DNA test throws up matches with Blackstone surnames then it would confirm a link. If it throws up a strong link to another Surname , eg Headley. It doesn't end but it suggests looking for a Headley connection and if one came to OZ no matter how.
I hope this throws a small light on your concerns :)
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I did autosomal. Partly out of interest and partly out of the fact I have a mystery great grandmother who we don't know anything other than her First name was Bridget and died in 1905 unfortunately can only find on one census. On her death certificate it's says she's the wife of my great father and we are fairly sure they were n't married and hubby had a name change. We know what surname was changed to what, photographic evidence is compelling but probably no paper proof. I had my test done at a family history show, mom, sister in law and nephew had theirs done. Moms proving difficult and she had to be retested that's driving us mad waiting! I have had some contacts but not quite proving anything definite other than my nephew being related to me at the moment. Got 2 keen contacts out of it. Pages of matches. Need to persuade one of my brothers to test whilst ancestry has an offer on. They sent an email today 10% off. It says ancestrydna members only though. You'll probably get charged extra for shipping .
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Jane I wish you well in your search :)
What I am about to say may add to the confusion but I hope not. To me DNA results are a bit like a betting pool. The more who enter the bigger the pot. And if everyone said '' I will wait till it gets more names '' will be the cause of the .....
I hope this throws a small light on your concerns :)
Thank you. No you have not confused me you explained very well. I totally agree yes it needs more people to add DNA to the pot. But I won't be adding to it at the moment. So you may think that is wrong approach but to be perfectly honest I am still sceptical , it will need millions of people to fill the pot enough to help everyone.
I can't quite believe the surname DNA being a great help to me. Its not really matching real DNA. I could find people sharing my research names with Google.
Just my opinion.
Thanks also weste. I appreciate both your replies. Have given me more to think about and more understanding. You both explain very well.
Jane
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Some people may inherit traits from an ancestor many generations ago, the genes can be carried, some Eastern Europeans say they have slightly Oriental features and I have been told this. I would say that the Vikings may have bought back slaves from there and some people from Mongolia did get as far west as Poland and Germany so I read. DNA testing would help. If an Asian was born with blue eyes and they still had all other Asian features, then it could indicate European blood many generations back. You'd be surprised how many of us may have ancestors from a place far away from where we think they came from. Never underestimate how people travelled.
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I also printed as much as I could in respect to an 8 generation pedigree chart and if someone contacts me and I look at their tree it's easier to see if there is any match on the particular pedigree line. Looking at it you realise even more as to what damage an unknown relative in your main lines does to your research. I listened to some of ancestries talks, there's a lot on you tube and the amount of cousins you end up short of if you follow the tree through is staggering. Where as if you lare missing one relative, that's all it seems to be until you follow back through the line of what you should have. You then have to make yourself more positive!
One thing of which I'm in agreement with is , the database for matches needs as many DNA records as possible , it no good waiting till its bigger till you think there's more chance of finding a match. You'll end up losing a relative who you would have liked to have tested. You may lose a last person in a particular line.
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Some people may inherit traits from an ancestor many generations ago, the genes can be carried, some Eastern Europeans say they have slightly Oriental features and I have been told this. I would say that the Vikings may have bought back slaves from there and some people from Mongolia did get as far west as Poland and Germany so I read. DNA testing would help. If an Asian was born with blue eyes and they still had all other Asian features, then it could indicate European blood many generations back. You'd be surprised how many of us may have ancestors from a place far away from where we think they came from. Never underestimate how people travelled.
Sorry, I just don't believe any of that!
For years I have been accused of being Irish, Italian or Spanish. Even as late as yesterday when some oick called "Amigo" to me from a car window! ::)
My (documented) family tree goes back as far as 1550's on both maternal and paternal lines.
Guess what? English all the way! ;D No Welsh, Scottish, Irish, or any other nationality!
My mother was born in Wales - of English parents.
I have a 3G Grandfather born in Jersey - his parents from Devon, and in Jersey for just 5 years.
So judging by looks (or judging a book by it's cover) will tell you absolutely nothing! IMHO. ;D
I have posted before of my views on DNA testing.
That upset a few people ;)
But I remain a skeptic ;D
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Jane you are not the only one who does not fully understand these DNA tests.My OH and I we did the Ancestry test and I got a list of 4th. cousins, none who seem to have any link with my family, not one recognisable name, and I have tried to find links. The same with my OH, as his family stayed in one area we have traced his family back some way but the information we got back seems to contradict this.
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Sorry, I just don't believe any of that!.......
So judging by looks (or judging a book by it's cover) will tell you absolutely nothing! IMHO. ;D
I have posted before of my views on DNA testing.
That upset a few people ;)
But I remain a skeptic ;D
Jane you are not the only one who does not fully understand these DNA tests.My OH and I we did the Ancestry test and I got a list of 4th. cousins, none who seem to have any link with my family, not one recognisable name, and I have tried to find links. The same with my OH, as his family stayed in one area we have traced his family back some way but the information we got back seems to contradict this.
KG I agree with your comments 100%. And you confused.
Before I started this thread, with what little I understood on the subject, I was a skeptic. I still am!
I even have OH interested in this thread.He is not interested in research but I first asked his views. His reply used an expletive I can't put in here!!! Unlike me he didn't need it all explaining . He is with you as well KG.
Where are all the success stories? By the way how much is a DNA test?
In an earlier reply I said I would stick with certs. It was mentioned in another thread that they could be inaccurate I.e people making things up! Blimey where does all this leave us - do not believe anything? So our research could all be a load of b######s, lol ;D
JOKE!!!!
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DNA testing is just like Hollywood?
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story! ;D ;D
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DNA testing is just like Hollywood?
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story! ;D ;D
Just like the first rule of journalism too. ;D
I have been guilty of this only once to my shame. A piece I wrote for West Sussex Gazette about the eclipse but no people were mentioned!!!
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I think the trouble with this is that many matches could be far earlier than any paper trail. So impossible to match with any certainty anyway.
I remain hopeful and interested, but not unrealistically so. :) I think where DNA tests are most useful is when trying to prove paternity if a bit of "playing away from home" occurred at some time in the past. :)
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I think the trouble with this is that many matches could be far earlier than any paper trail. So impossible to match with any certainty anyway.
I remain hopeful and interested, but not unrealistically so. :) I think where DNA tests are most useful is when trying to prove paternity if a bit of "playing away from home" occurred at some time in the past. :)
Yes, once again we think alike. I am interested but that is all. It is not for me. If others are happy with it good luck to them. Still awaiting a positive "yes it worked for me, I am related to ??????? With 100% proof!!" Hmmmmm, won't hold my breath ;D
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Just have a look at the other threads on this subject, such has this one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=719058.0
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Some people may inherit traits from an ancestor many generations ago, the genes can be carried, some Eastern Europeans say they have slightly Oriental features and I have been told this. I would say that the Vikings may have bought back slaves from there and some people from Mongolia did get as far west as Poland and Germany so I read. DNA testing would help. If an Asian was born with blue eyes and they still had all other Asian features, then it could indicate European blood many generations back. You'd be surprised how many of us may have ancestors from a place far away from where we think they came from. Never underestimate how people travelled.
Sorry, I just don't believe any of that!
For years I have been accused of being Irish, Italian or Spanish. Even as late as yesterday when some oick called "Amigo" to me from a car window! ::)
My (documented) family tree goes back as far as 1550's on both maternal and paternal lines.
Guess what? English all the way! ;D No Welsh, Scottish, Irish, or any other nationality!
My mother was born in Wales - of English parents.
I have a 3G Grandfather born in Jersey - his parents from Devon, and in Jersey for just 5 years.
So judging by looks (or judging a book by it's cover) will tell you absolutely nothing! IMHO. ;D
I have posted before of my views on DNA testing.
That upset a few people ;)
But I remain a skeptic ;D
What I am talking about though is way way back like many, many centuries, well before the 1500s. You wont be able to know without DNA but I know some Eastern Europeans with no known ancestors when have been tested and their ancient DNA says 7% East Asian. And I have just stating what I have heard from people who have had their DNA tested and read from studies. I am also a skeptic as well you know.
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Hi
I am reading everyone's replies with interest. I hope I can add something good & positive at a later date.
yesterday I received kit from FTdna, this morning i have returned it. I think someone asked about .
costs, 11 days ago when I ordered and paid for it, exchange rate converted the $ US to £198.22p. This included $9 p & h charges.
2 kits Mitochondrial & Family Finder, and yes my husband says they "saw me coming". He has the same views as one or two of you
charge to return the kits today £11.20. This includes the compensation cover upgrade charge of £2.50 .
One of my reasons for going ahead with this, my cousin and I are the last 2 females on our maternal line to carry full Mitochondria.
A point which has been touched on," the relative that you would have liked to be tested and now no longer with you."
lemur41
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Lemur41
I decided that sometimes you have to do these things! Obviously choosey what I do! I have n't decided yet re mtdna as not sure that will help . If there are any problems with ftdna you can contact them via Facebook.
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Hi weste,
I am hoping the mtdna analysis will help us solve a slight mystery surrounding our x 2 Great Grandmother.
My cousin couldn't afford to go ahead with the tests, although she is very interested in the subject, I am just glad that technology gives me a chance of solving things
And if I don't receive any positive results or matches, then I will accept that, listen to my husband telling me I've wasted my money, and if this debate is still ongoing, let anybody interested know as well, and take the " I told you so "
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FTDNA has regular sales, so it is worth keeping an eye open if anyone is thinking of testing. I am pretty sure my Familyfinder test was $99. :-\
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Just have a look at the other threads on this subject, such has this one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=719058.0
Thanks. I am glad those people are happy with their results. I did read some of the posts but was not convinced. Fair play to the believers.
I have read the latest replies with interest. It is very expensive! I still remain a skeptic and do not think it is for me. Like Weste said sometimes you have to do these things. Perhaps if the price was dropped to £20 I might consider having a punt just to see what I would get. My expectations would be low.
Lemur. My OH says I would be a fool to part with any money no matter how little! He is probably right.
If the price were lowered it may mean lots more names in the pot which could make it work better- I now sound like I am trying to convince myself of its worth! No I am, not just a random observation.
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Hi ruskie,
yes agree with your price, I went for the double though. Knew they did offers at different times, but I had to strike whilst my husband was in agreement with my doing it.
So anyone thinking of doing it, wait for an offer if you can. I have stated the amount I paid on 19th July, don't think there were any offers around then.
And weste forgot to add that I'm not on Facebook, have spent years telling family and friends I have no wish to be so. But if I do have problems, will take notice of your suggestion, thank you.
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I think the problem is that people have unreal expectations, a lot of it because of advertising hype used by some companies.
If you don't try then you will not know. The more people who do, the bigger the data base,
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I do agree with that observation Jane. The lower the price the more the uptake. But I guess there needs to be a profit for someone
I do have my doubts, and I expressed them on another thread. Will someone look at the name on my spitjar/return envelope - head to Rootschat ;D ask for info on Gibbins family and send me the results back. Or will they actually test the spit?
But ultimately I will treat DNA analysis as another family search TOOL . Like waiting for records to be released I am prepared to wait for DNA to get a bigger pool.
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jettejjane & Jager,
I think over the last few months I have read everybody's postings on Rootschat on this subject. My mind agrees with all of you , somewhere in your arguments- for and against.
I had to do some study work on DNA in a course I did, and found it fascinating. And I really need to try and solve one or two FT queries.
I've paid my money now, and will answer truthfully any question about what I discover or not ,as the case may be..
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I think the problem is that people have unreal expectations, a lot of it because of advertising hype used by some companies.
If you don't try then you will not know. The more people who do, the bigger the data base,
That is true.
I read back my last reply. Put comma in wrong place in last sentence! Should be after "not".
Lemur good luck hope you get good results. If you don't would never say told you so. Just put it down to experience. As is said about the lottery "you have to be in it to win it".
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Thanks for that jettejjane. My glass is half full, most of the time.
Cheers
lemur
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As I said on another thread, I am an adoptee. I found my deceased biological father's family through Ancestry DNA, and the DNA test of his twin confirmed what we suspected. I am definitely glad I did it. My original birth certificate did not have his name on it, and the surviving family didn't know I existed, so DNA was the only possible solution. More people in the databases means that more of my sort of mysteries will be solved. One of my biological cousins said that being involved in me trying to figure this out was like being on "Who Do You Think You Are." :)
I can't speak to doing testing purely for genealogical purposes, but I was thinking of encouraging my husband to do it. He has a great-grandfather who left his great-grandmother and started up a second family, and I believe he kept the first family a secret from them, so there may be relatives who would be surprised his branch existed.
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1. Thanks. I am glad those people are happy with their results. I did read some of the posts but was not convinced. Fair play to the believers.
2. I have read the latest replies with interest. It is very expensive! I still remain a skeptic and do not think it is for me. Like Weste said sometimes you have to do these things. Perhaps if the price was dropped to £20 I might consider having a punt just to see what I would get. My expectations would be low.
3. Lemur. My OH says I would be a fool to part with any money no matter how little! He is probably right.
4. If the price were lowered it may mean lots more names in the pot which could make it work better- I now sound like I am trying to convince myself of its worth! No I am, not just a random observation.
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1. Rather derogatory comment in my opinion. People have found matches and proved connections and so are dismissed as "believers", well what else are they when the facts prove to be confirmed "gullible fools" ?
2. Well it depends what you think the fee charged is for. Yes to analyse a swab its expensive but that is not all you are paying for you are contributing to their further research - remember this is a very new science - and if no one pays for the research none will be done.
3. Hardly foolish to part with money to fund research (which in essence is what you are doing) if you believe in that research, surely ?
4. Well of course the cheaper it is the more uptake there would be, we could even make it free and subsidise it from the Government - and that us not as ludicrous as it may sound as people have suggested that in the past re GRO certificates ???
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Funny when I put the phrase in about sometimes you have to do these things I had changed my mind about using the phrase you have to be in it to win it. The reason I put about Facebook was I had joined Facebook afters years of resisting until a family history society came over from Sacramento and found it was more convenient to keep in touch. So I went in and also joined my family history's Facebook page and some local old area photo groups. Well I contacted one who I was fairly certain was a cousin and in touch with about 5 others. When I went to the family history show in Birmingham , there were offers so I tried both. Ancestrydna came back but did n't hear fromftdna and was worried re some comments on their customer care site. Had difficulty contacting like others and found their Facebook page and got a message back quickly and sorted it out. There was an admin glitch, my email was I putted as starting with a v instead of an s , postcode partially wrong and phone number. It was obvious that the info referred to me and so got my result the same day I contacted the. What worried me it was saying the kit had n't arrived when I tried that way first of all , that's why I persisted to contact them . Certainly on the ancestry autosomal, me and my nephew were recognised at first cousin levels and his mother as his parent and vice versa! Phew!
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Good job the pioneers of blood transfusion continued their research! Also these companies continue to update you with matches.
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Hi weste,
Yes I think I read on some of the postings that FTdna did have some glitches a while back.
Overwhelmed by applications, and some vital piece of equipment "broken" was posted by someone.
I can only take them as I've found them so far, and heed warnings.
Applied 19th July and paid online, had e mail to give me tracking number 20th , enjoyed following it Houston-Dallas-Chicago, UK Tues pm, and was delivered 10.08 yesterday.
I've followed their recommendation that I return it by International Parcel/small Packet service with tracking, even though the complete pack only weighed 16 grams. Estimated returned time 5-7 days.
lemur41
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1. Rather derogatory comment in my opinion. People have found matches and proved connections and so are dismissed as "believers", well what else are they when the facts prove to be confirmed "gullible fools" ?
2. Well it depends what you think the fee charged is for. Yes to analyse a swab its expensive but that is not all you are paying for you are contributing to their further research - remember this is a very new science - and if no one pays for the research none will be done.
3. Hardly foolish to part with money to fund research (which in essence is what you are doing) if you believe in that research, surely ?
4. Well of course the cheaper it is the more uptake there would be, we could even make it free and subsidise it from the Government - and that us not as ludicrous as it may sound as people have suggested that in the past re GRO certificates ???
Wow. Well that put me in my place. Feel like I have just had my classwork marked. All that's missing is see me after class, lol.
In my defence. All views expressed in any of my replies are mine .
I was not being derogatory.
My opinion not necessarily right one.
Take this comment up with OH, he said it. I have not decided if I agree with it yet.
Is this sarcasm?
Anyway I am still interested in this one and there are many good points being raised. I will continue to watch with interest but perhaps I had better keep my views to myself ???
Jane ;D
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Why Jane? You're as entltled to an opinion and that's also the way to learn. I keep an open mind as my job is working with cancer patients and blood disorders. I'm used to giving blood transfusions and also seeing genetics in cancer patients notes so its not that alien to me. If you think about family photos and likenesses in them. Characteristics can be seen to be inherited, such as facial features and some diseases. Dna for family history is still in its infancy. You keep asking the questions tosee if it's right for you, admittedly its not cheap but nothing technical is . I know some one who had a nose op, for medical reasons and done in the private sector and i saw the bill and this is a good few years ago and cost 75p then for 2 pieces of small gauze. I think she was charged £ 7.50p for the intubation tube to administer the anaesethetic!
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Hi,
I did know about extending the research with my payment, and they are all good points, and I'm interested to read other viewpoints and I didn't take offense at anybody's .
Everybody should be a fly on my wall and hear my OH's.
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Wow. Well that put me in my place. Feel like I have just had my classwork marked. All that's missing is see me after class, lol.
In my defence. All views expressed in any of my replies are mine .
I was not being derogatory.
My opinion not necessarily right one.
Take this comment up with OH, he said it. I have not decided if I agree with it yet.
Is this sarcasm?
Anyway I am still interested in this one and there are many good points being raised. I will continue to watch with interest but perhaps I had better keep my views to myself ???
Jane ;D
I have no objection to your scepticism, and indeed I have pretty much stayed out of the thread.
However, i thought you crossed the line with your rude comments about people who had had some successes. That's my opinion people are free to disagree.
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Hi,
I did know about extending the research with my payment, and they are all good points, and I'm interested to read other viewpoints and I didn't take offense at anybody's .
Everybody should be a fly on my wall and hear my OH's.
I didn't take offence either! I laughed when I saw the answers to my points. Couldn't resist a reply.
Been keeping OH up to speed with this one, if you think I am bad with my replies you wouldn't want him joining in :o I agree DNA for medical purposes is very worthwhile, I am not sure I feel the same about it for family research. Although I love my research I fear i am not as dedicated as the majority in here. Oops hope that's not another black mark for Jane.
Weste no I wont stop chipping in.
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[quote author=davidft link=topic=726873.msg5714618#msg5714618 date=1438274692
I have no objection to your scepticism, and indeed I have pretty much stayed out of the thread.
However, i thought you crossed the line with your rude comments about people who had had some successes. That's my opinion people are free to disagree.
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How was my comment rude. I am genuinely pleased for anyone that has had success. I stand by that and no offence was intended. If any of these people are readingI hope you understand.
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[quote author=davidft link=topic=726873.msg5714618#msg5714618 date=1438274692
I have no objection to your scepticism, and indeed I have pretty much stayed out of the thread.
However, i thought you crossed the line with your rude comments about people who had had some successes. That's my opinion people are free to disagree.
How was my comment rude. I am genuinely pleased for anyone that has had success. I stand by that and no offence was intended. If any of these people are readingI hope you understand.
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I did explain that in the original post I made and was considered in my comments, so I will not be engaging in a running debate on it
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You dont always need DNA to see where you get certain traits from, certain illnesses etc. My Musgrave's have a history of heart conditions. And in regards to certain physical features, my great great aunt has the very same eyes as her mothers sister.
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Of the Graeae were they? :)
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Of the Graeae were they? :)
No they weren't.