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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: sigrid7 on Thursday 23 July 15 15:24 BST (UK)
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I have been looking for John Murnane/Murmane on census and can only find him on the 1851 (FindMyPast) as John Murmane bc 1816 Ireland living in Birkenhead with his wife, two children and a sister in law. The daughter Mary Ann bc 1850 - I have found her baptism and it states mother's name as Mary Cooney. So I am puzzled as to who the Ann Mcmahon is on the 1851 with them as sister in law. I can't find any deaths for John Murnane, or his son Michael nor any further census for them. Nor a marriage or death for the daughter either.
Can anyone find them on any other records please? And can anyone explain the term sister in law in relation to this family?
Thanks very much.
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Sister in law doesn't always mean wife of your brother.
Back then they often used the term for a step sister (sister in the eyes of the law) or a half sister.
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Right, thanks. So Ann could have been step/half sister to the head of the household, ie John or is it going to be even more complicated and she could be the step/half sister to John's wife, Mary?
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Do you have this birth cert?
Births Dec 1849
MURNANE Mary Ann Runcorn vol 19 page 195
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No, but I have found the baptism, which stated mother's name was Mary Cooney.
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The requirements when completing a census was that the relationship to the householder(John) was given.But they may not have been literate and Ann could be related to either of them.
Although I think I'd go along with her being a half sister to John,maybe his mum remarried to a Mr McMahon?
Irish records are so difficult to find,I've given up on my half Irish husband's side of the tree ;D
If only it said more than just Ireland,a place for example.
Carol
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The schedule was filled in by the "householder" at the time of the census, who may have had their own interpretation of relationships, a 'daughter-in-law' might mean a step-daughter.
Stan
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Yes, having Irish ancestry is hard! Not really found out much, except for born' Ireland' all the time....
Thanks for clarifying the relationship aspect.
I haven't found John on any other census either. Is it a possibility that the family went back to Ireland for some reason? Has anyone ever had this scenario in their tree? I know they probably came over here for work reasons but to go back.... I don't know.
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I have found a 'Thomas' Murnane b1813 Ireland in Devon, on ancestry, for 1861. I searched with the other family names and this came up. Can anyone check this one out please, even though it says Thomas? Thanks.
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I have found a 'Thomas' Murnane b1813 Ireland in Devon, on ancestry, for 1861. I searched with the other family names and this came up. Can anyone check this one out please, even though it says Thomas? Thanks.
He’s single a lodger occ Chelsea Pensioner - RG 9; Piece: 1444; Folio: 56; Page: 34
Do you have their son Michael's pob in Ireland ?
You could check the 1901 & 1911 Irish Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
Could the family have gone abroad?
Cheshire BMD has following a possible death for Mary & a possible remarriage for John
1858 Mary MURNANE age 44 (1814) Birkenhead Wirral
1859 Birkenhead, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended
John MURNANE
Mary DOLAN
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Thanks very much for checking. No, I haven't checked the Irish census, so will do that, thanks for the suggestion. Yes, it is a possibility they could have gone abroad, owing to the lack of further census.
Yes looks like a second marriage, to another Mary! Still no sign of them on the 1861.
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Might this be the same Michael?
Event 1883 Michael Murnane born c1843 Cahirconlish
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM3Y-58D
this might be the same Michael as above
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM3Y-3J4
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Yes, it could be - it might explain not finding him on further census. I will see if this Michael is on the Irish census 1851. Thanks for finding these records.