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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: larky on Wednesday 22 July 15 19:09 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Hope that I am on the right page.
Looking for any data about this family William Lilley - Anna Sophia Robinson. I have a marriage for them 3 June 1897 in Belfast. I have Williams birth 26th Mar 1870 GLENARM, ANTRIM. The parents of William as Joseph Lilley and Jane Kain (That is all I have for them). Nothing about Williams wife Anna Sophia Robinson, and no death for both them, any help at all will be brill
thanks
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IF RC you can search the registers online. http://registers.nli.ie/
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Could this be parents Joseph & Jane Lilley?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Marvue_Street/959016
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Mervue_St/141602
Have you found William Lilley in either 1901 or 1911? if so please post the links for us here
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Hi,
On 25 Aug 1869 Anna Sophia Robinson was born to James Robinson and Martha Woodside. The birth was registered in Belfast District 3. See https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Arobinson~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Amartha~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Awoodside~&collection_id=1584963
Regards
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Joseph Lilley married (1866) Jane Kain/Kane
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZZ-B5F
Children (confirms 1901 and 1911 census links in previous post)-
William (1870 Glenarm) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPYV-HH4
son (1871 Glenarm) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPBQ-9QP
daughter (1873 Belfast) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPBV-5HQ
James (13 Oct.1877 Belfast)
Janette McNeill (1880) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGKP-Y4B
Jane (10 Nov.1882 Belfast)
Mary (10 Nov.1882 Belfast)
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Hi,
James Robinson married Martha Woodside on 25 Aug 1862 in St. Annes Church of Ireland, Shankill, Belfast. Fathers' names were James Robinson and William Woodside.
Regards
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And a little more - Joseph Lilley married Jane Kain on 12 Mar 1869 in Carnalbanagh Presbyterian Church. Larne District. The fathers' names were William Lilley and William Kain.
Regards
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This is brill, the data that you all have posted so quickly .....I thank you all for now, any deaths and cemetery's would be brill planning a visit 2016
thank you all
cheers
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Civil registration index (births, marriages, death)- https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347
GRONI (for viewing & ordering certificates)- https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Lots of other online resources and information under ANTRIM RESOURCES (stickied at top of ANTRIM board) & IRELAND RESOURCES.
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... any deaths and cemetery's would be brill planning a visit 2016 ...
Are you sure William and Anna Sophia died in Ireland?
GRONI online has a civil birth record for a Martha Lilley, born 20 March 1898, registered Belfast district, mother's maiden name Robinson. The 1901 Scotland census has a ship's carpenter William Lilley and wife Anna with a 3 year old daughter Martha Lilley living in Renfrewshire (all born in Ireland).
And still in Renfrewshire in 1911, with 4 more children. And a possible marriage for Martha Lilley to a William Murray in Renfrewshire in 1920.
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Note this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=336571.0
Also this reference:
LILLEY, JOSEPH
Rank: Private
Service No: 777232
Date of Death: 01/02/1942
Age: 39
Regiment/Service: Pioneer Corps
Grave Reference: Sec. P. Grave 1297.
Cemetery: PAISLEY (HAWKHEAD) CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of William and Anna Sophia Lilley; husband of Janet B. Lilley, of Paisley.
Photo of grave is at the following link (7th photo from top), it takes a while to load:
http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/scottishwargraves-ftopic1458-0-asc-120.html
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Well, that would explain why I couldn't find William Lilley and his wife in 1901 and 1911 Irish census ::)
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Again this brill ....I did have them in Scotland with the birth of the son William, (Looking for the Irish deaths and cemetery's) sorry if I posted wrong data I think I have all Scottish data I have the military death of Joseph although it was not in conflict . He was returning home on leave and was hit and killed by a bus . Need to source a paper that will have that story.
You have filled lots of spaces......what a brill web page and Knowledge. Thanks again for all information and replys
cheers
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gaffy, thanks for letting me know about this thread. I've been on holiday, hence missed seeing it sooner. :)
larky, hello :). Lilley is one of my lines of research. My fellow rootschatters seem to have already given you some good info on this thread, which has no doubt been of great help to you.
I'll hopefully have time to PM you over the weekend, and share what research I have gathered over numerous years, including William's Scottish death record and his dad Joseph's Irish death record. From memory, I may also have a newspaper item about William and Anna's son Joseph's death, which as you already know, was as a result of being hit by a bus.
Regarding William and Anna's son, William, whom I understand from the PM you sent (which I have just read too), is the line you are interested in. Can you confirm that the Iris Figgins you mentioned as his wife was a second marriage? From memory his wife Edith Irwin and their son Albert Lilley, were killed during the Belfast Blitz of 1941, when it would seem she was visiting her parents at Hogarth Street. They, along with her father and brother, who were also killed, are recorded on the CWGC website. Edith and Albert are buried at City Cemetery, Glenaline extension, Belfast.
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It looks like William Lilley and Anna Robinson were witnesses to William's sister Selena Lilley who married Thomas William Foster on 6 April 1896 Newington Presbyterian Church Shankill Belfast. regards Heather
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Hi Heather,
Thanks for that ...I don't have a birth for Selena ....or her parents, to confirm that it is William's sister I have added her now will try and get her birth
cheers
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May have mislead you with last post, checked cannot find Selina birth to match Joseph and Jane (Kane) Lilley
May have been a cousin.
The list I have of Joseph and Jane Lilley children are:
William Lilley 26 March 1870, Larne
Male Lilley 28 July 1871 Larne
Female Lilley 21 Sept 1873 Belfast
Joseph was Listed as Linney 21 Sept 1875 Belfast
James Lilley 13 Oct 1877 Belfast
Janette Lilley 27 Jan 1880 Belfast
Jane Lilley 10 Nov 1882 Belfast
Mary Lilley 10 Nov 1882 Belfast
Jane Lilley 28 Aug 1883 Larne
Elizabeth Lilley 15 Feb 1887 Larne
Hope this helps regards Heather
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Selena Lilley married 1896- her father's name was Joseph. Can't see a likely birth but perhaps was registered under a different first name or simply as 'female.'
Janette McNeill Lilley born 1880 (father Joseph).
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I suspect Selena/Selina was the 'female' entry https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPBV-5H3 , which on GRONI index merely states 'not captured' against forename. I haven't viewed the certificate on GRONI, but you could do, for approx. £2, and it may be that a name is there but written in such a way that transcriber could not be certain of same, hence the 'not captured'.
Anyhow, Selena/Selina was indeed a sibling of William and under her married name, Foster, was witness on her father's death certificate. She died in 1947 and is buried in the City Cemetery.
As previously said, larky, I've spent a lot of time over the years researching this family and will try and get some time to get back to you soon with research details on William's family group.
Meantime, as further confirmation that Selena was a daughter of Joseph, see the memoriam notice for one of her children who died young. Insert by herself and husband, plus one by her parents (as grandparents of the child):
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/btextracts/bt19061000.html
The address listed for the grandparents, Mervue Street, matches that known to be for Joseph and Jane (nee Kain/Kane).
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Janet Lilley married William McCloy Currell march 1910 .....they emigrated to the usa but she came back visiting 1920, 1925, 1927, and 1930.
Thanks all, again all very helpful....it is getting larger. excellent response by all
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Janet Lilley married William McCloy Currell march 1910 .....they emigrated to the usa but she came back visiting 1920, 1925, 1927, and 1930.
Thanks all, again all very helpful....it is getting larger. excellent response by all
William died in Pittsburgh area in 1929 and is buried there at Woodlawn Cemetery.
larky, can I just double check, as I understand now, this is not your one of your personal research lines, as I had first thought from earlier posts in the thread, especially when you mentioned a probable visit to Northern Ireland in 2016, but that you are actually doing it for someone else (when this is the case, people usually mention on their thread)? Hope you don't mind me asking, and no offence intended, but is this as a paid 'researcher'?
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Scotmum,
No offence taken I am NOT a paid researcher , it is just an interest that I have, been doing this for quite a few years now. A colleague at work asked if I could find anything about his mothers side "Lilleys" , she knew that there was an Irish connection, but that was all that she seemed to know they were going on holiday, so I just started, I asked him for his mother to write down all she knows, so I should get more info next week, when I got to the Irish side I find it difficult. My own tree is also stuck on my wifes Irish side "Hollywoods" also from Antrim.
Again there is no offence taken, and I am NOT a paid researcher, I respect the feedback and help that I received from this brill web site
cheers
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Thanks to all for the response, this web site is a brilliant resource for help in finding answers from knowledgeable people.
cheers
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Jane Lilley 28 Aug 1883 Larne
Elizabeth Lilley 15 Feb 1887 Larne
Were actually born at Junction, Carrickfergus, to an Alexander Lilley (son of a James Lilley, sailor) and Ann Jane Kane (daughter of a John Kane, boatmaker), who were married 28th April 1883 in Belfast.
No known connection to Joseph Lilley and Jane Kain/Kane.