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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: BevStimpson on Tuesday 21 July 15 19:26 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone.
The attached image is the newspaper entry for a man allegedly the married chap who had an affair with my widowed Great Grandmother, leaving her 6 months pregnant when he up and died. Since her sons knew him (he allegedly was going to marry Sarah - whether this was a convenient story to cover the illicit affair or if he led her on would be conjecture), I know his name and approximate date of death. All avenues point to this man.
This is what I know:
His name: James Broomhead
His approximate age: 50
Date of death 9 Sept 1919
My Maternal Grandfather and his brothers always thought that this man had connections to Nottingham and Lace making - though how and why they believed this is a mystery. The child born to him after is death (to complicate matters further) the half-sister of my maternal Granddad, is my Paternal Grandmother. Yes, my mum and dad are cousins ;D ::)
Obviously she never knew of her father, the siblings all treated her as their full sister, no mention was ever made to the fact she wasn't. Until obviously, we started delving into why my mum always called her mother-in-law "Aunty Ada" and my dad always called my Granddad "Uncle Ernie".
Having found the probate, and the FreeBMD record of his death, I'm trying to find out which of the James Broomhead's he is. It sounds like he could be a doctor or Reverend. 1911 census has a James Broomhead physician and surgeon but in Haslingdon.
Back to my original query, one of the people mentioned, Charles Herbert Broomhead has the letters M.B. after his name. What would these stand for - forgive me if it is something blindingly obvious, brain is fuzzy today.
And any ideas if this would point in the direction of the Haslingdon family?
Thanks for reading
Beverley
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Bachelor of Medecine perhaps
maybe fore runner of MD
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My Maternal Grandfather and his brothers always thought that this man had connections to Nottingham and Lace making
That James Broomhead's address was Ivy House Rectory, Crumpsall Lanc, it looks as if he was a vicar. Are you sure that you have the right death? Where was your Great Grandmother living at the time?
Added: Looking at the censuses he wasn't a vicar - he was a physician and surgeon, born in Aberdeen.
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:-\ I always thought M.D was "Medical Doctor". Was there not a TV programme years ago (can't recall the name) Somebody Somebody M.D ?
Suey
Added - Hmm just looked at a website for anacronyms, seems M.D is the American term
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He was a medical man. Found a reference to him in the Manchester Medical Collection.
Typescript Thesis ( [1923])
Reference GB 133 MMC/1/Broomhead/1
Physical Description pages at front and back detached.
Scope and Content
'Scheme of Thesis on The Nature of Subacute Infective Endocarditis, Being an Investigation into a Series of Cases of this Condition Seen in Pensioners', n.d. Charles Broomhead was awarded a MD at Manchester in 1923.
Modern medical qualifications are(in the UK) MBBS or MBChB on initial qualification i.e at the baccalaureate level but it would seem from this that he extended his qualifications and was awarded a doctorate in 1923 by writing the thesis quoted above.
Try looking for him in the medical registers or Medical Directory for the appropriate years.
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:-\ I always thought M.D was "Medical Doctor". Was there not a TV programme years ago (can't recall the name) Somebody Somebody M.D ?
Suey
Added - Hmm just looked at a website for anacronyms, seems M.D is the American term
MD is MD - Doctor of Medicine. Was it Marcus Welby, M.D.?
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MD is indeed Medical Doctor and is the primary qualification in the USA. In the UK MD is a postgraduate degree.
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My Maternal Grandfather and his brothers always thought that this man had connections to Nottingham and Lace making
That James Broomhead's address was Ivy House Rectory, Crumpsall Lanc, it looks as if he was a vicar. Are you sure that you have the right death? Where was your Great Grandmother living at the time?
Added: Looking at the censuses he wasn't a vicar - he was a physician and surgeon, born in Aberdeen.
Sarah Owen Drain my Great Grandmother was living in Chrissey Street, which for some indefinable reason shows up as either Collyhurst or Harpurhey, both close to Crumpsall and as far as I can tell all within Prestwich registration district. Given that my Grandmother was born 2nd December 1919 it does seem to fit with his death in September 1919
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The other thing that puzzles me, I would expect a beneficiary to be related to the deceased. So Charles Herbert Broomhead would be a brother, Uncle, Nephew or son.
The only birth I can find puts him in the brother bracket and that is in Oldham not Aberdeen!
confusion reigns :D
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The other thing that puzzles me, I would expect a beneficiary to be related to the deceased. So Charles Herbert Broomhead would be a brother, Uncle, Nephew or son.
The only birth I can find puts him in the brother bracket and that is in Oldham not Aberdeen!
confusion reigns :D
Have you actually got the will? The probate was granted to Lillie (his widow) Charles Herbert Broomhead and Jonathon Arthur Haworth. That doesn't mean that they were all beneficiaries, just that they were the executors of the will. For example, the people granted probate for my uncle's will were his solicitors, they were not beneficiaries.
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It doesn't look as if Jonathon Arthur Haworth was related to him either as he married Dora Gardiner on 1907 Haslingden.
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The other thing that puzzles me, I would expect a beneficiary to be related to the deceased. So Charles Herbert Broomhead would be a brother, Uncle, Nephew or son.
The only birth I can find puts him in the brother bracket and that is in Oldham not Aberdeen!
confusion reigns :D
Have you actually got the will? The probate was granted to Lillie (his widow) Charles Herbert Broomhead and Jonathon Arthur Haworth. That doesn't mean that they were all beneficiaries, just that they were the executors of the will. For example, the people granted probate for my uncle's will were his solicitors, they were not beneficiaries.
I can't find the will. I was linking surnames. And the fact that Charles H was born in Oldham, James resided (at least some of the time) in Haslingden, not too far apart. It seems that Charles H was born circa 1885, James' marriage in 1896 and their first born in 1897 in Haslingden!
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If you want to get James's will you can order it from here for £10 and then download it. Probate was granted in March 1920 It may not tell you anything though if the affair was a secret.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Broomhead&yearOfDeath=1920&page=2#calendar
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Charles H Broomhead was the son of Charles Broomhead and Mary. Charles senior was born 1856 Scotland, he was also a doctor - so perhaps he was James's brother and therefore Charles H was his nephew?
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Charles H Broomhead was the son of Charles Broomhead and Mary. Charles senior was born 1856 Scotland, he was also a doctor - so perhaps he was James's brother and therefore Charles H was his nephew?
I do have a sibling Charles for James so I think perhaps you are right. So much for lace making in Nottingham :D
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Bachelor of Medecine perhaps
maybe fore runner of MD
MB is Bachelor of Medicine
Stan
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Stan above is correct, It stands for Medicinae Baccalaureus which is Batchelor of Medicine