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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: lenc on Sunday 19 July 15 13:34 BST (UK)
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Hi
Trying to find a marriage [and anything else] about Francis McArdle from Cladymore Armagh who went to Scotland [I think Hurlford] and married a local girl called Jane [don't know her maiden name]
He was born in 1872 and his mother died in childbirth. He was raised by his mothers people,Loughrans in Armagh and left for Scotland as soon as he was old enough.
This information is from the mention he got in his father's will.
Any help much appreciated!
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Hurlford is on the outskirts of Kilmarnock. There is one possibility in Paisley (north of Kilmarnock) in 1901- a Francis McArdle (born c1869 Ireland, brickfield labourer) with wife Janet (born Paisley), children (Jane, Philip, Mary) and father Philip (born c1832 Ireland, mason's labourer). The 1911 census might give a more exact place of birth than 'Ireland.'
Added- see the one you are looking for is the son of a John McArdle & Catherine Loughran-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGH3-1W5
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Thanks aghadowey,
I forgot to post this with the above:
Name: Francis Mcardle
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 01/10/72
Birth Place: Markethill, Armagh, Ireland
Father's name: John Mcardle
Mother's name: Catherine Loughran
The only reference I have for Hurlford is in his father's will so that might be wrong.
SORRY I JUST NOTICED YOU HAD FOUND THE BIRTH. THANKS FOR THAT.
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Hi Lenc
There is a marriage entry which is likely for Francis McArdle to a Jane in 1895 in Paisley Renfrewshire. You can view the original image on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk This cert image will include full details on bride and groom's parents, including mothers' full names etc. This would let you confirm you have the right details for Francis.
Monica
Added: This son is the son of Phillip (mother Mary Gallagher, deceased) and connects to the census entry that aghadowey mentioned above. Wife Jane Muirhead. Jane can be a variant of www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Jane.html
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From what I have in the index on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Search/results.aspx - the marriage mentioned above, with a Francis with father Philip, is the only in Scotland I can see for a Franc*s married to a J*an* (to pick on spelling variants) between 1889-1940. Maybe marriage for your Francis was in Ireland rather than Scotland, if you are certain on wife's first name?
Father definitely John? I know, you have his will, this is what you are working from...!
Monica :)
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The only mention of zJane was in the will.
I'm pretty certain though that Francis's father was John McArdle as I have certs from Groni as well as I for from family notes. The notes also state he married and settled in Scotland and had a family there,but that s all the info I have unfortunately.
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If the only mention of wife 'Jane' is in 1925 Will then this could be your Francis-
1901 Census- Galston Rd., Skirrington Row (registration district Hurlford)
Francis Mcardle, age 26, born Ireland, labourer (fireclay?)
wife Maggie Mcardle, 24, born Burnfordhill, Ayrshire
daughter Kate Mcardle, 5, born Hurlford
daughter Jemima Mcardle, 3, born Hurlford
daughter Marget Mcardle, 7 mo., born Hurlford
visitor Annie Oneill, 26, born Ireland
boarder Patrick Money, 40, born Ireland, fireclay labourer
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That looks like a good fit with location and age etc for Francis, aghadowey :)
Struggling with SP on index entries with the names and dates we are building up. Maybe one of the children's birth certs will help with the parents' marriage date etc...
Monica
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Yes, was wondering if 'Jane' in 1925 Will could be a 2nd wife.
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2nd wife is a possiblity, I really dont know. Only thing I can count on really is his DOB Oct 1872
Gonna have a look in scotlands people I think. Is that the best source for BDM?
Cant find it on Ancestry
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Lenc, the only source for BMDs in Scotland is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. For the period you are looking at, it is perfect as you are well within the dates that you can look up the original images online (at really reasonable costs).
Aghadowey's 1901 census looks very likely to be your family given the references to Hurlford.
Scottish birth certs from the early 1860s include the date and place of parents' marriage. Always useful if you can't find parents' marriage ::)
Advice is to look for the birth of a child with the most unsual name you can find, in this case it will be Jemima McArdle in Hurlford 1898.
Might be a place to start...
Monica
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Lenc, sorry :P Just found, I think, a likely marriage for Francis. Exactly where you would think it would would be. A marriage shows for a Francis McArdle to a Maggie, 1895 in Hurlford.
Scottish marriage certs include full names of mothers' names for bride and groom.
Monica
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From Scotlands People, you can also search the 1911 census and . from there. Can see possible entry for Francis in Hurlford. Leave the ages open, there are only two showing on the index, maybe father and son?
Monica
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thanks Monica and Aghadowey.
Will follow up on these. Hope Hurlford isn't a red herring LOL
This is an excerpt from the will
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This Francis is certainly the Francis you are looking for :) His 1895 marriage in Hurlford, at the St Paul's Chapel there, (RC church) confirms his parents' names that you have.
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Remind us....when was father John's will mentioning Jane as wife to Francis?
Monica
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Here is John (Red) McArdle's will.
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx
I think Monica that piece you posted must be right, Francis's mother was a Loughran before she married. She died in childbirth. Is this from a census?
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Aghadowey mentioned earlier possible date of 1925 for father John's will. Is this the right year?
Regardless, I don't think Margaret Drain McArdle died before these possible years on the will of father in law, John. Possible a death year for her on SP in 1963, still in Hurlford. The year is within the range that you can view the cert online (50 years rule for viewing deaths online on SP). Details from this reg may help you now.
Monica
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Lenc, sorry, posts crossed. The piece I posted is from Francis' marriage entry.
A thought....
I think maybe Francis died young. There is a possible death in Ayrshire on the index for www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a Francis McArdle in 1913 who was born c. 1873. Would fit with what you have mentioned. Scottish deaths are very informative and include full details on deceased person's parents and spouse if married (if know to the informant).
Might be one for you to check...
Monica
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No this is the right will I linked above. He mentions his sons and daughters all of whom I knew of.
Cant be Francis dying in 1913 as he is mentioned in the will Father who died in 1915
I will try the new names you have given me and the info as well on Ancestry first before Scotlands people to try and narrow it down a bit.
Many thanks to you all for taking the time to help out a rookie!
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Cant be Francis dying in 1913 as he is mentioned in the will Father who died in 1915
Check to see what date the father wrote his Will- could have written it before 1913 (thus mentioning son Francis)?
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It certainly is his death, verifiable with his parents' names as you have. From early January 1913..
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Monica, that's fantastic! Thanks so much for these!
So sad,such a young man. I think he might have had kids too, so very tough.
I never would have found this myself,as I would have looked only afer the death of his father!
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There are 11 McArdle births showing in Hurlford between 1895 and 1913, the years of Francis' marriage and death. You have some of the already from the 1901 census transcript that aghadowey posted earlier. The 1911 census, shows 8 additional people alongside Francis in Hurlford. This would be a good way for you to expand on Francis' descendants. Some children may have died young. The 1911 would let you confirm the household and children's names etc.
Monica :)
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Brilliant finds, Monica :D
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Thanks guys. i will follow up on these
Maybe a trip over to find my new cousins would be a plan!
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As an aside my family roots in Armagh contain an Anne McArdle and George Loughran (my great great grandfather). So its interesting to see there are other McArdle Loughran connections.