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All I know about my great grandmother is that she was born in Ireland in 1841 and was brought to England at six weeks old. I have her father's name from her marriage certificate but no idea of her mother's name.
On the census she is listed as born Ireland or Kingsland, but not Kingsland, Ireland. She lived in London and there is a Kingsland district.
Does anyone know if there is a Kingsland in Ireland and if so possible parishes?
Alternatively am I wasting my time as I have virtually nothing to go on?
Many thanks.
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Pretty much wasting you time with nothing to go on!
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All I know about my great grandmother is that she was born in Ireland in 1841 and was brought to England at six weeks old. I have her father's name from her marriage certificate but no idea of her mother's name.
On the census she is listed as born Ireland or Kingsland, but not Kingsland, Ireland. She lived in London and there is a Kingsland district.
Does anyone know if there is a Kingsland in Ireland and if so possible parishes?
Many thanks.
Unfortunately there are are number of townlands named Kingsland -See Link
http://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=Kingsland&str=on
what was her father's name? May help.
annclare
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Hi,
Also see http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/town_new2.php?MODE=search&TOWNLAND=kingsland&SORTBY=townland&METHOD=any&COUNTY=&BARONY=&METHOD1=any&PARISH=&METHOD2=any&PLU=&METHOD3=any&PROVINCE=
Regards
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Many thanks for the replies.
The only other info I have is that according to her marriage certificate her father's name was John and that he was a labourer. Not much help is it?
I am afraid I agree with Hallmark that I haven't got a hope!
Regards and thanks again.
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Hello,
Who did she marry and when?
Heywood
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Heywood - she married George William Parker, St Pancras parish church, November 1861.
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Do you have her on the 1851 Census ?
Tara
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1881 census seems to specify a Kingsland in Herefordshire.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X32F-6JL
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Hi Tara. I have a Catherine Maher on the 1851 but am unable to link because there is no mention of her father.
I have checked the 1861 for the Rileys and the Mahers but cannot link any of them.
I also tried getting into Henry Street, Heaton Norris, on the 1861 but things seem to have changed again on FindMyPast and so I have given up on that (for now anyway).
Many thanks for the link to Kingsland, Herefordshire, but I know she definitely came from Ireland.
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1881 census seems to specify a Kingsland in Herefordshire.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X32F-6JL
Hello,
Another site just show Kingsland which looks right. If that is the only census which shows Kingsland, it might be just an error.
In 1871 233/6/6 and in 1881 there is a lodger Morris Griffin (different spellings) who shows Ireland in 1871 and Kingsland in 1881. The other lodger in 1881 also shows Kingsland.
I wonder about the lodgers in 1871 - John Mears, 67 yrs b Ireland and Margaret 18 yrs b St Pancras. Could Mears and Mahon be mis- transcriptions. That's just a thought!
I see from a published tree that Catherine died 1915 - do you have her in 1911?
Heywood.
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Hi Heywood. If you are referring to the published tree on Ancestry, I am in contact with the tree owner. He doesn't know any more than I do unfortunately
I am missing the 1891 and the 1911 census records for Catherine, having tried various alternatives. She definitely died in 1915 as I have the death certificate.
Your comment re the lodgers on the 1881 is food for thought. I will definitely look into that.
Many thanks.
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Was the death informant a relative?
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Unfortunately not, the coroner for London. I have checked the newspapers for an inquest report but no luck.
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Sorry, to ask - does it say she is the widow of George? Just wondering how you know it is her if there are no real details.
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Hello Heywood, it is definitely her.
Widow of George William Parker, plasterer, which is what appears on his death certificate. His death was registered by their son.
The address fits in as well as it pops up quite a lot in my family. Unfortunately she wasn't there in 1911!!!
Another mystery is that she was married in the parish church (Anglican), as were the children. What I cannot find is a single baptism (eight children) although they stayed within the area covered by the LMA records.
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I've just been searching 1891 with addresses, names etc. No joy!
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I know the feeling!!!
Perhaps they all decamped to Ireland. Think I am going to need the luck of the Irish to get anywhere with them.
Bye
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Hi There
You started with a very specific story that she was 'brought to England aged 6 weeks old'.
Where has this come from ?
Tara
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Hi Tara, sorry to be so late replying.
It was either my mother or grandmother who made that comment. I have just accepted it but again I do not know if it is correct.
Bye
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Hi Retriever,
I am just curious here. When Jane Parker married in 1893, a witness was Jane Elizabeth Parker.
When Emma Parker married in 1891, a witness was Jane E Parker.
Do you know who Jane Elizabeth was?
Heywood
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Just a thought Retriever,
I spent a long time looking for an ancestor missing on census night,she turned up on the return form of her married son and family,perhaps she was elsewhere visiting a son or daughter in 1911.
Another missing ancestor was traced to an infirmary at an institution.
Good luck with Catherine,will follow your progress with great interest.
Scatty
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Hi Heywood, Jane Elizabeth was George William Parker's sister.
Scatty, thanks for the interest. I think I tried all the living children on census night but got nowhere. It was a while ago though so I will recheck. I also tried just putting in the first letter of forename and surname together with birth year but again no luck.
Thanks for the suggestions though, I welcome each and every one.
Bye
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Thanks R.
Was hoping we might find Catherine tucked away with Jane E somewhere!
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Heywood
Unfortunately Jane died a spinster in 1894. Typical ???
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I saw her death address on the family tree and checked electoral registers. She wouldn't be listed at that time but the men's names don't seem to be family members.
She may have just rented a room. :-\
It's so frustrating, isn't it!
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I think a lot hinges on the '6 week' story.
This may not be fact.
She MAY have arrived in Ireland just prior to marrying which means she won't show on the 1861 Census.
We still can't be 100% sure if she was even Irish given the variants in her POB on the English Census that she has been found on.
I suppose the bad news to all this is that there is not enough details here, so far, to trace her family in Ireland, again IF she WAS Irish.
Have you gotten all the baptisms of her children ?
Any of HER family members as Godparent's ?
Tara
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Hi Tara, I can't have explained myself properly.
Catherine was (according to family legend) brought from Ireland to England aged six weeks.
I haven't been able to find a single baptism.
Bye
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Hi There
That's my point though is that it's legend, not fact.
IF she was brought to England ages 6 weeks old, then that's 1841, 1851 & 1861 census that she's missing from.
Just say the 'legend' is true ~ who brought her ?
Is / Was there an implication that she could have been orphaned / adopted, that leads to a whole avenue of other possible names that she could have gone by.
Could she have been married and widowed before her 1861 marriage, some didn't note it on a subsequent marriage cert ?!
I'm just trying to come up with ideas as to why, if the family story is to have merit, how is she missing from so many census'.
Hey, there could be a very simple explanation ;D
Tara
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Hi Tara.
Age at death tallies with a birth year of 1841 so she was 20 when she married, plus her father's surname is the same as hers on the marriage certificate.
I have never heard any mention of adoption within the family.
I assume there is nothing on the 1841 census because the family arrived after census night.
There is a possible sighting on the 1851 but I cannot prove it as no father present.
On the other missing census she could have been mistranscribed or added with a ditto to previous names if she was renting a room.
All I can hope for is that something turns up out of the blue, but I think it is a certainty that I am not going to get anywhere with her Irish roots.
Bye