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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: bungleberry on Tuesday 14 July 15 11:04 BST (UK)
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Lancashire parish clerks (bless'em) have proved really useful to me for researching these folk. However this fertile family was particularly fond of recycling Christian names . . .
Robert ASHCROFT was bap 04/09/1774 in Aughton. Some folks have happily published that he m Mary BAYBOT/BAYBAL in Toxteth, Liverpool during 1787, which (assuming his was an infant bap) seems a wee bit unlikely at very best. Did they then produce a clutch of children before he was widowered and m(2) Ann DARWIN in 1814? Not at all sure.
Has anyone got better thoughts on this please?
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I wonder if his marriage licence is available , from Lancashire archives,
have a look there , might have some little clue
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Burial St Michael Aughton
16th Feb 1837
Robert Ashcroft
aged 83 years,
so born circa 1754
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Thanks Radcliff!
I have my g-g-g-grandfather Robert as died, buried and probated in 1861 (sources: opc and ancestry). But he has eight namesakes during the past 250 years, and I am quite prepared to accept that there may well be several more. However I am not aware of the Aughton branch having any connection at all with Liverpool itself at that particular time.
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BAPTISMS
St Michael, Aughton (Ormskirk), Lancashire
Parents ROBERT/MARY Ashcroft;
ALICE, 4 Nov 1798
JAMES, 12 Oct 1800, buried 4 June 1811 age 10 (son of Robert/Mary)
WILLIAM, 28 Nov 1802
JOHN, 23 Dec 1804
JOSEPH, 15 May 1808
(FreeREG)
Some Trees have these Children + MICHAEL 1799 and ANN 1806
ALICE Married Robert TAYLOR, 8 April 1820 and a Michael Ashcroft was a Witness
I did notice there is no mention of Robert being a Widower on Marriage to Ann Darwin 1814
I presume the Witness John Ashcroft is his Father or Brother.
If he was married to the Mary pre 1814 Marriage then she would have died 1808-1814
With my resources, LancsOPC/FreeREG/Familysearch I cant find a Burial.
Have you?
Also if you have the Probate of Robert doesnt it mention his Children?
How many are named?
Trish :)
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A big thank-you, Trish, for your interest!
The more I look at this the more confuzzled I become, and the more convinced I am that I (and others) have concatenated two families.
Yes, I have Alice, James, William and John (source: opc). For some reason I hadn’t picked up Joseph, for which many thanks. But I also have: Robert (bap 1787), Catherine (1788), Ann (1790), James (1792), Thomas (1794), and Michael (1796). All sourced from opc but parish shown as Litherland. Not convinced about that. Litherland is certainly the right side of L’pool, and therefore arguably more credible than my Robert m Mary in Toxteth?
It was interesting to see Alice’s Aughton m to Mr Taylor witnessed by Michael. A brother? Or not? No other credible Aughton contenders listed by opc.
Whilst 1806 Ann was bap @ Aughton, the two Michaels (1796 and 1799) from Robert and Mary, with no Lancs record of an intervening infant burial, is just another bamboozlement – both being bap @ Litherland.
Like you, I haven’t found Mary’s death/burial.
The probate record I have is from ancestry. It is a scan of the original grant, referring to Robert, yeoman of Aughton, with estate of under £3,000 at 18/04/1861. This does tie neatly with a death on 22/03/1861 and burial @ Aughton on 25/3/1861. Executors were James (nephew) and John (great-nephew). Perfectly possible, but the actual will is not yet freely on-line, so no record of bequests as yet. I am committed to buy a speculative copy.
Hmmm. Other than that, where to go?
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I should also have written that the bur @ Aughton on 25/03/1861 gives Robert's age as 86yrs, thus fitting nicely with a bap @ Aughton on 04/09/1774.
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Curiouser and curiouser!
I have just received the 1857 Will of Robert ASHCROFT, who d 22/03/1861. It was proved at L'pool 18/04/1861 in the substantial sum of up to £3,000. Unusually, it's quite easy to read.
Whilst his wife is referred to, at no point is her name given!
Also, the bulk of his estate was placed at the disposal of a nephew and great-nephew as executors and short term beneficiaries. Nieces also benefit from bequests, including a best feather bed and bedstead! No mention of any sons, or other directs apart from (apparently) three married daughters or their issue.
More brainstorming needed, I fear.