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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: ppl1962 on Tuesday 14 July 15 09:31 BST (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone know where Axbridge Upton is?
Supposedly in Gloucestershire - it is a reference from a census.
Is it perhaps a part of Upton?
Any suggestions welcomed.
Thanks
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Did you see this on the original image?
Or are you looking at a transcript?
Can you give us the reference, s that we can take a look?
A Census reference consists of Class, Piece, Folio and Page.
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Wild guess here but could it be Hawkesbury Upton? That's defnitely in Gloucestershire.
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Census reference is in the 1871 Wales census
Pc 5334, Folio 63, Page 1.
In another census the birthplace is given as just 'Upton.'
I assume this is Upton, Gloucestershire, but have always been confused by the reference to Axbridge Upton.
Googling 'Axbridge Upton' does bring up other census references, but I can find no place by such a name - Axbridge of course being in Somerset.
Thanks
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What about Upton St Leonards? It would be easier to get to South Wales from there than Hawkesbury Upton, Upton Cheney or Tetbury Upton. No Severn bridge then!
Have you any more information about Henry Harvey. e.g father's name from marriage cert? That might locate him on 1841 census, which would be before he married judging by his age. He might still be living in his place of birth then.
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Thanks.
I've assumed it was Upton St Leonards, but why was it written down as Axbridge?
Henry HARVEY's father, according to his own marriage certificate, was Miles HARVEY.
I've not been able to find Miles HARVEY in any census.
I've only been able to find Henry HARVEY in 1851, 71 and 81 census records.
In 1851 his birthplace is given as 'Upton', in 1871 it is 'Axbridge Upton' and in 1881 just 'Gloucestershire'.
Thanks again for suggestions.
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Just found a Hazell family who also have several members born in Axbridge Upton. Although I haven't managed to find baptisms for the two children born there or a marriage for the parents who were also both born there, there is an on line tree which has the place as Hawkesbury Upton. I suppose if you say Hawkesbury, dropping the "H" and with a local accent it could sound like Acksbree, which could morph into Axbridge. In 1871, the Hazell's POB has become H??bury Upton, so closer to Hawkesbury.
So now I'm thinking Lisajb was right. Longer journey to Monmouthshire
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Miles and Dinah Harvey are baptising children in Hawkesbury around the right time, to be Henry's siblings. Records on Ancestry listed as Hawkesbury without Upton. Looks like we're on the right track now.
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There have been ferries running at Old Passage, Aust from at least 1825?
And a railway ferry link at New Passage from 1863?
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Thanks this is all helpful.
Kind regards
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The Aust ferry would certain be a possibility to get him from Hawkesbury Upton to near Pontypool. I was thinking of his occupation as a coal miner, and thought he might have gone via the Forest of dean, so getting into Wales over a bridge much further upstream.
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Miles Harvey and Dinah Lee were married in Cromhall, Glos on 17 Nov 1806. The earliest baptism I found in Hawkesbury was 1812, so there could be a couple of earlier children baptised elsewhere.
they were both of the parish, both made their mark, witnesses were Bryan Pratt and William Hayward
There is burial of a Miles Harvey on 26 dec 1849 at Yate, St mary Glos. His age was 70, so birth about 1779. I think that's about 6 miles away from Hawkesbury. Could be a possibility. If so he should be on 1841 census.
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Sounds good - I'll follow that track now.
Kind regards
Paul
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St Mary's Church in Yate is about 10 minutes down the road from my home
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Whether they are related at all, or just a coincidence of names..
A Miles Harvey was baptised in Westbury on Severn, Glos on 11 April 1827, parents were Daniel Harvey and Susannah. I have found the couple on the 1841 census with Miles and two younger children. Daniel was 65 and Susan(na) was 45 (but probably rounded). I have found a marriage for a Daniel Harvey to a Susanna Harvey in Westbury on 7 Jun 1826. Both signed. Witnesses were Thomas Harvey and Elizabeth Harvey. The marriage was by licence. Both were otp, although it says Daniel was of the parish of Westbury oS, the marriage took place in that parish. It didn't give the status of either. As there was such an age difference, I looked back for an earlier marriage for Daniel. I found one also in Westbury of Daniel Harvey bach to Sarah Harvey sp on 18 Feb 1822 also by licence. The witnesses were Thomas Harvey and Hannah Harvey. The signatures of Daniel and Thomas look the same. So did Daniel marry a cousin and then her younger sister?
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Thanks LizzieL certainly other avenues to investigate.
Kind regards
Paul
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And possibly Miles baptism.
Miles Harvey baptised Kemble, Glos on 13 Aug 1780, son of William and Jane Harvey. Ancestry has transcribed as Harrey, but clearly Harvey on record.
Kemble does seem some distance from Hawkesbury, Cromhall and Yate, but as it is a slightly unusual name and it fits with his stated age at death.
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I have just found this Miles on a tree on ancestry. Don't know how reliable the information is going further back. But I was looking at the index of names on the tree because some of the villages mentioned were were my father's family comes from and discovered several of my relatives on there. Quite close ones, my grandfather's brother. Also my father's first cousin and his wife who I knew quite well as we lived in the same village as them when I was a child. I was amazed.
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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD
Miles HARVEY married Dinah LEE - 17 November 1806 Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Looking at CLDS - two children were christened at Somerford Keynes - which was in Wiltshire - now in Gloucestershire
Hence Somerford Keynes not transcribed on Gloucestershire Family History CD's
Anne : 24 July 1808 and Sarah - 25 March 1810
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Gloucestershire Burial Index CD
Miles HARVEY - 26 December 1849 - age 70 - Yate Union House
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Gloucestershire Baptism Index CD - starts after 1813
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Many thanks Capetown.
Kind regards
Paul
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from previous reply:
Miles HARVEY baptised Kemble, Glos 13 August 1780
Parents: William and Jane
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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD pre 1800
William HARVEY married Jane HAVILAND, Kemble: 27 January 1778
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Thank you again Capetown.
Kind regards
Paul
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Hi,
I think we are both searching for the same Miles Harvey, father of Henry Harvey. I am just waiting for a birth certificate which may help find the right Gloucestershire Harvey's. Miles is my 4 X great grandfather. A family member told me a few years ago that there was a link with a Haviland family via the Harvey's. Someone else on Ancestry has Henry's son John H Harvey as John Haviland Harvey. If the certificate confirms this middle name I think that will help as I have found an earlier Harvey/Haviland marriage in Gloucestershire. If not, back to the drawing board! Best Catherine
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Hi Biggsie
Thanks for the post. Please let me know how you get on.
Kind regards
Paul
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Hi Paul,
Not the instant answer I was hoping for. The certificate has been accurately transcribed. I think that as well as being illiterate, Henry Harvey may have had a speech impediment! The Certificate is definitely the correct child and the correct family, but he is registered as John Avlung Harvey. Given the issue over Axbridge/possibly Hawksbury and John being registered everywhere else as John H, I don't think that it is impossible that he was in fact named John Haviland. A collegue from Gloucester agreed that Haviland could indeed sound like Avlung when said to a Welshman by someone with a thick Gloucestershire accent. She even did a pretty mean impression!
So, I think the only way of confirming that H stands for Haviland now is by seeing if there is a record of his baptism, if he was baptised. I'm guessing that most children were baptised at this time? To date I haven't found any baptism records for any of the Harvey children although I do have Henry and Mary's wedding certificate which shows them having married at the Chapel of Abersychan. I think that this is in the parish of St Thomas's Talywain. I feel sure that the Haviland name will unlock this puzzle, it must be linked to a parent or grandparent.
I've attached a copy of John's birth certificate for info. Can I ask where you fit in with the Harvey's? Best Catherine (Biggsie!)
Moderator comment: Full certificate removed. Small portions only are allowed for deciphering purposes.
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Hi Catherine
It’s actually my wife’s family I’m tracing – having hit a few brickwalls in my own family.
My wife’s Great grandmother was Anne Cordelia HARVEY, born 1861, one of the daughters of Henry HARVEY and Mary STEWARD. From census material I believe that Henry and Mary had at least 9 children, I guess you have the same info:
1. Henry
2. Elizabeth
3. Mary
4. Thomas Joseph
5. William Isaac
6. Anne Cordelia
7. John H.
8. Sophia E.
9. Susannah
I started this post to try to locate the birth place of Henry HARVEY since I was ‘stuck’ on him.
I also have very little information about Mary STEWARD either, other than that she was born in Llewysham, MON circa 1827, dau of Henry STEWARD and Mary ????, and that she had an older brother Thomas born c. 1826.
I hope this is of interest.
Kind regards
Paul
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That is really helpful, thanks Paul.
I am also linked via Anne Cordelia, she is my GG Grandmother. I have some interesting info on her and her children, the Edwards family, in Canada. You may already have this? My G Grandmother was Emily Edwards. Is there a way that we can continue this conversation away from this site? Do you have an Ancestry Account?
Best,
Catherine
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Hello Catherine,
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Regards
Sarah