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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: pinkteedee on Friday 10 July 15 13:16 BST (UK)
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I am looking for a record of a Mary Mann died 1871 in Hackney. I am hoping she was married to Joseph Mann. Any ideas how I can find a record or grave. Thank you.
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Do you have a copy of her death certificate?
Nanny Jan
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There is a record on Ancestry for a Mary Mann birth date 1825
Burial 4/9/1871 age 46 Hackney Middlesex
Victoria Park Cemetery
Non Conformist Non Parochial Registers sorry I can't make out the address
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no I don't have certificate... I am hoping that it is the right Mary Mann. She is on the 1871 census and I know her husband remarried in 1879 and stated he was a widower. I am hesitating to buy certificate if this is the wrong Mary Mann.
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Can you tell me if there is any way of viewing the Victoria park cemetery records?
Thanks
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Is that the marriage for Joseph to Catherine Gilbert 8/12/1879 Bethnal Green ?
Going by his age born 1841 so probably the wrong burial for Mary Mann b 1825 unless she was a lot older than him ...do you know her date of birth
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Hi there,
She was born in 1825 but I think her age is wrong in 1871 census. The census is correct as Joseph Mann was a China hawker. His age changed a lot!!
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The address on the 1871 burial looks like Sparksmain (?) Margaret Street
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The address on the 1871 burial looks like Sparksmain (?) Margaret Street
Thanks Rosie I thought it said Margaret Street but was not sure ...Your eyesight better than mine :D
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I think it's 'Sportsman', Margaret Street, Haggerstone.
Pub history here ...
http://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/Shoreditch/Sportsman.shtml
Looks like the wrong Mary Mann? :(
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Yes it does look like the wrong Mary Mann.... Where did she go?
Thanks for all your help everyone....
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Do you have any of the children in 1881
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I think it's 'Sportsman', Margaret Street, Haggerstone.
Pub history here ...
http://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/Shoreditch/Sportsman.shtml
Looks like the wrong Mary Mann? :(
Thank you bookbox ;D
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The children are not with him in 1881. It appears he started a new family!!!!
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So it is not only Mary that is missing in 1881 but the children as well :-\ Which of them do you have after 1871
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1871 has
Joseph Mann 7 St Lukes
Elizabeth Mann 5 St George (in the East)
Arthur Mann 4 Bethnal Green
John Mann 1 St George (in the east)
Arthur was descibed as Idiot :'(
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In 1881 census I have Joseph W Mann aged 4 and Rosetta Mann aged 2 both born in Bethnal Green.
This is obviously not the same Joseph as in 1871 census.
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Are the children from the second marriage the line you are following.
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I wasn't aware there had been children from first marriage. my grandmother was a child from his second marriage. So I am now intrigued about the first family of children, did he just abandon them??
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I was wondering whether Mary was still alive and was elsewhere with the children possibly under another surname, with a new man in her life :-\
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I suppose that could be the answer, I will start searching with that thought in mind. Thanks for your time and effort.