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Someone could have gone for a walk over this very bridge on the weekend… ::) ::)
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134 is the number of the house I grew up in, but we didn't have that in our backyard!
Just a thought for elimination process ;D
Lovely photo though! Looks like a romantic place for a tryst, or maybe a proposal!
Jeanne
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LOL I currently live at No. 135 ;D ;D ;D
Caz
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I thought Lake District soon as I saw it:
http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/thelakes/html/lgaz/lk15321.htm
Possibility?
Carol
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Well you had better put on your specs and run around to the back of the house across the road then!
Go on, off you go! Get a wriggle on girlie ;D
You might even get to solve this one before anyone else reads it!
Jeanne
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I thought Lake District soon as I saw it:
http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/thelakes/html/lgaz/lk15321.htm
Possibility?
Carol
Same style Carol, but there aren't any concrete pathways in the mystery photo that I can see! :-\
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I think the one in Caz's photo is a bit wider, not so high in the middle and it also doesn't have the same line of perpendicular stones along the top ... but still pretty close.
I first thought Scotland then Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Dales ... :-\ no idea really. :D
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Well you had better put on your specs and run around to the back of the house across the road then!
Go on, off you go! Get a wriggle on girlie ;D
You might even get to solve this one before anyone else reads it!
Jeanne
Nowt but hills and trees at the back I'm afraid… ;D ;D ;D
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It's not such a "Little Bridge" as it has more than one arch. If you look at the river it flows under the main arch in the photo but also behind and to the right (if that makes sense!). You can, I believe, also just make out another arch on the right.
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On much closer inspection I'm not sure that is another arch on the right. Could just be a tree. But the bridge walkway does seem to extend to the right.
Also could that white blob on the right, a bit higher up, be a house?
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Looks to me like there's a snowman in a black hat standing on the bridge above the right hand "arch" - okay, maybe not a snowman, just made me think of a snowman!
Not that that helps any....
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A "Wade" bridge maybe? Perthshire perhaps.
Skoosh.
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I wonder if it has any connection with photo WAI no. 135 which was Perth?
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This is the closest I have found up to now.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lairig4/9082336615
Same style if not the exact one.
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I thought it was this one at Grange in the Lake District but I can't find another view.
Frank.
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-113469163/stock-photo-traditional-stone-bridge-at-grange-in-english-lake-district.html
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Frank yours has a hump, this one appears to be flat.
That has been the big problem most small single spans are humped.
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Frank yours has a hump, this one appears to be flat.
Ah! senior moment :-[
Frank ;D
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I've seen the Shutterstock bridges too Frank...there are so many that are alike...I have reallt travelled this afternoon....I have been to the Lake District, Derbyshire, Scotland, Wales and Dartmoor to name but a few...until I was seeing humps before my eyes. I was convinced that I would have found it in the Lake District :-\
Someone will spot it...eventually.
Carol
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Someone will spot it...eventually.
Carol
Unless it's in the garden of WAI no. 12. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I like it....I think that one is at the bottom of the North Sea Jan...sunk without trace ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Someone will spot it...eventually.
Carol
Unless it's in the garden of WAI no. 12. ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Is it Grange, Borrowdale, Cumbria?
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-small-bridge-at-grange-in-borrowdale-the-lake-district-cumbria-england-30381667.html
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I don't think so, it appears to have vertical coping stones but the mystery bridge has horizontal ones. :-\
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I wonder if it has any connection with photo WAI no. 135 which was Perth?
This makes sense to me. I'm not saying Perth, but I would say more Scotland than England. :-\
Caz
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Cranking the scanner up and about to post some that are hopefully not so obscure.
Caz
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Went to sleep last night to the sound of a running stream ;D ;D ;D
Frank.
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That would be your waterbed Frank :P ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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That would be your waterbed Frank :P ;D ;D ;D
Carol
I don't suppose that's the worst it could have been Carol :-X :-X :-X ;D ;D
Frank :)
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Last shot! Glenlyon?
Skoosh.
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Last shot! Glenlyon?
Skoosh.
Don't think so, the bridge I've found there spans a wilder river and has a waterfall behind it, unless you've found another photo?
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My first attempt on the WAI's :D
Looks like the Yorkshire Dales to me - I wondered about Millthrop Bridge near Sedbergh?
http://www.one-foot.com/Sedbergh%20and%20the%20River%20Rawthey%202014.html
Scroll down to the third and fourth pics; 'twin arches of Millthrop Bridge' and 'Crook from the banks of the River Rawthey' for similar bridge construction and also a similar hill to the one in the photo.
:) Barbara
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One thing to notice is there are no coping stones on the bridge parapets in Cazza's photograph.
Regards
Malky
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I thought someone would have found this by now ;D ;D
I think it is too far north for me to have any clue where it is. ::)
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I live up't north and am surrounded by beautiful country like this.
It could be the River Lune valley, this river runs through my home city and on into the hills. There is also an area called the Forest of Bowland, sometimes known as the Trough of Bowland, where the Duke of Westminster has his country estate. The river meanders through hills like this and has little stone bridges but I can't find this one, yet. The nearby Lake District is full of rivers, hills and stone bridges and then there are the Yorkshire Dales as Barbara has mentioned.
It looks like a packhorse bridge and as if it could be my area, but I can't pin it down at the moment.
Pat
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I'm rather tied up at present and can only offer a very quick thought on this. From growing up in the area, my gut feeling is that the hill behind looks a bit too rugged for many parts of the Yorkshire Dales, and where the hills are rugged like that it tends to be in the upper reaches of the valleys where the rivers are narrower. I may be wrong, of course, but my first thoughts on this would be the Lake District, or else somewhere in Scotland or Snowdonia.
A question that may be worth considering is that since photos were usually taken with the sun behind the camera, which direction is the river flowing?
Arthur
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Looking at this again does anyone else think that this is a side channel and behind the bridge the main channel is running either left/right or right/left across the picture?
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Looking at this again does anyone else think that this is a side channel and behind the bridge the main channel is running either left/right or right/left across the picture?
Yes, now that you mention it, I think you may be correct.
The water appears to be very shallow in the foreground.
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Looking at this again does anyone else think that this is a side channel and behind the bridge the main channel is running either left/right or right/left across the picture?
Yes, now that you mention it, I think you may be correct.
The water appears to be very shallow in the foreground.
It's also quite wide and rock free
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Not too sure but worth a try....................looks similar to me although much more growth in these days ???
Annie
ADDED.......................http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fnl/
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It looks so like many of the bridges around here (Lake District), but I can't match the fellside up in the background with any of the ones I can think of. The construction is very like the bridge over the river Brathay but the background is wrong.
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Killin is a rocky river at both sides of the bridge http://www.instantstreetview.com/@56.462823,-4.319992,-161.1h,-14.47p,1.33z
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Could it be the double bridge at Grange in Borrowdale? Can't get a good photograph from river level in the right direction and the fell side doesn't quite look right. Maybe the vegetation has been cleared.
Eric
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So very near Eric, but I think your bridge has a bigger hump back than the one in Caz's photo. I think you are in the right area though.
Pat
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Hello,
Like 'jaywit' I think this is a side channel. Look at the far bank through the arch. All the water we see there would have to sweep round to come under the bridge, making it quite turbulent. I think there may be another span to the right of this one taking the main channel of the river.
Follow the line of the top of the bridge from left to right. Just past the 'snowman with the black hat' does the top of the bridge start to slope upwards, or is it just foliage giving that impression?
There are dozens of similar bridges, but, I haven't found one with a matching background as yet. Unfortunately, this website only covers Scotland.
www.scotlandsoldestbridges.co.uk/the-collection.html
Good luck with your search.
Regards, Dod.
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I enlarged the photo to look at it more closely - is that a building that can be seen through the arch of the bridge on the far bank?
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I think it is too small to be a house.
It could be a shed beside a railway, possibly? Or just a tractor or vehicle
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I keep coming back to The Hermitage stone bridge in Perthshire
But don't think it's the one :(
Joy
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Oh Joy, so similar but too many rocks I think. There must have been a standard design for stone bridges!
One thing I learnt yesterday, pack horse bridges were built with low sides so that the overhanging bundles hanging from the sides of the horses didn't catch on the walls ;D ;D
Pat
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I learn something new with every WAI Pat so even though I never manage
to find one of them first, my head feels as though it is bursting with newfound
knowledge and awareness ;D ;D
Joy
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Went to sleep last night to the sound of a running stream ;D ;D ;D
Frank.
Told you. Turn your bloody taps off >:(
;D
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Could it be at Wray, in Cumbria?
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Close but not right:
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/stone-bridge-over-river-lake-district-high-res-stock-photography/128390616
I have looked at so many bridges I'm getting the hump ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Scouseboy certainly close geographically but I cant find a bridge. :(
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Close but not right:
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/stone-bridge-over-river-lake-district-high-res-stock-photography/128390616
I have looked at so many bridges I'm getting the hump ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
You have looked at so many you disregarded a good get
If that's not it its so close :o
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Scouseboy certainly close geographically but I cant find a bridge. :(
Unless it is in Lancashire or Westmorland.
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o an area called the Forest of Bowland, sometimes known as the Trough of Bowland, where the Duke of Westminster has his country estate.
Sorry to hijack the thread But, Ooops - Must correct this, Gerald has his country estate in Chester, Eaton Hall, Eccleston Village, and owns loads of surrounding areas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaton_Hall,_Cheshire
(It's only 'cos I live here - my home town. ;D)
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If you have time, then :-
http://www.kweimar.de/SCMap.html
Regards
Malky
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Close but not right:
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/stone-bridge-over-river-lake-district-high-res-stock-photography/128390616
I have looked at so many bridges I'm getting the hump ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
You have looked at so many you disregarded a good get
If that's not it its so close :o
It's taken at a slightly different angle so difficult to say for sure but I think it might be it. I was all set to look for more images but it doesn't say where it was taken beyond the Lake District!! >:(
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He may have meant the Duke of Devonshire?
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He may have meant the Duke of Devonshire?
More than likely. :)
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Close but not right:
Wow, that one had me looking closely. You're right though, it's not it although the differences are very subtle. The arc is a slightly different, the relative height of the stonework above the vault is different and the length of stones making up the vault is different. The fellside behind, although similar, is different.
The newer photograph shows a canalised bank on the left rather than the more natural bank shown in the old photo, although I could have lived with this if the other differences hadn't been there.
Mike
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And on the side topic, the Duke of Westminster does own an enormous gigantic country estate in the Forest of Bowland.
Mike
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And on the side topic, the Duke of Westminster does own an enormous gigantic country estate in the Forest of Bowland.
Mike
Have you got proof of that, please?
The Duchy of Lancaster owns a large part of the Forest of Bowland, as well, I believe?
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Close but not right:
Wow, that one had me looking closely. You're right though, it's not it although the differences are very subtle. The arc is a slightly different, the relative height of the stonework above the vault is different and the length of stones making up the vault is different. The fellside behind, although similar, is different.
The newer photograph shows a canalised bank on the left rather than the more natural bank shown in the old photo, although I could have lived with this if the other differences hadn't been there.
Mike
This was another choice...but again there are differences:
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/cow-bridge-over-brothers-water-in-lake-district-royalty-free-image/104059294
Oh I know...even allowing for water level rising and hiding the stones...there are too many subtle differences...oh well...back to my Pimms with the hump ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Close but not right:
Wow, that one had me looking closely. You're right though, it's not it although the differences are very subtle. The arc is a slightly different, the relative height of the stonework above the vault is different and the length of stones making up the vault is different. The fellside behind, although similar, is different.
The newer photograph shows a canalised bank on the left rather than the more natural bank shown in the old photo, although I could have lived with this if the other differences hadn't been there.
Mike
This was another choice...but again there are differences:
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/cow-bridge-over-brothers-water-in-lake-district-royalty-free-image/104059294
Carol
I've just been looking at that one but no, particularly whichever way I looked on Streetview the fellside did not match up ::)
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Thanks Mike, re the estate. Abbeystead estate, in the Forest of Bowland, is actually owned by a trust belonging to the Duke of Westminster. Gerald, or whatever his name is, is often up here shooting. I live just two miles away.
Proof:- Abbeystead House was built in 1886 as a shooting lodge for the 4th Earl of Sefton.[1] It was designed by the Chester firm of architects Douglas & Fordham,[2] who added gun and billiard rooms in 1894.[3] In 1980 the Abbeystead Estate, totalling 18,000 acres (73 km2) and including the house, was bought by a trust relating to the family of the Duke of Westminster.[4]
Now let's get back to the bridge ::) ::)
Pat
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Scouseboy, by the way I am a 'she' and I did not mean the Duke of Devonshire.
Pat
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And on the side topic, the Duke of Westminster does own an enormous gigantic country estate in the Forest of Bowland.
Mike
Have you got proof of that, please?
The Duchy of Lancaster owns a large part of the Forest of Bowland, as well, I believe?
;D ;D ;D
http://forestofbowland.com/History-Culture-Heritage
Managing the land for game hunting, primarily grouse shooting, has remained a predominant influence on the landscape, and several large private landowners remain today, such as the Duchy of Lancaster, the Duke of Westminster, and Lord Clitheroe. However the current largest single landowner is United Utilities - which manages a large area of the fells primarily for water catchment.
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Have you got proof of that, please?
Yes.
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He may have meant the Duke of Devonshire?
More than likely. :)
No, she knew exactly what she meant. The Devonshire main English estates are at Bolton Abbey in Yorkshire and Chatsworth in Derbyshire. Nowhere near Bowland.
:) :)
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I typed in stone bridge over river in Derbyshire and there seem some likely ones, what do others think?
Jennifer
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He may have meant the Duke of Devonshire?
More than likely. :)
No, she knew exactly what she meant. The Devonshire main English estates are at Bolton Abbey in Yorkshire and Chatsworth in Derbyshire. Nowhere near Bowland.
:) :)
Bolton Abbey is only 22 miles from Clitheroe.
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Jennifer, I think the main problem is that there are little stone bridges like that in various areas of the country. It is just a case of finding the right style of bridge with that big hill in the background.
It is not an easy task. ::)
Pat
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Hi Folks
Wow, this one is certainly causing a few headaches! Sorry I haven't been around for the weekend, otherwise I would have posted some more to tear you away from this one and save your sanity!! ;D ;D
Caz
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I don't know what I'm talking about here, just enjoying watching the hunts on these photos, but if you consider that the photo may have been taken from the other side of the bridge, there may be no hills in the background! Just a thought that might or might not be helpful!
Keep up the great hunting! Most entertaining! :) :)
Jeanne
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On much closer inspection I'm not sure that is another arch on the right. Could just be a tree. But the bridge walkway does seem to extend to the right.
Also could that white blob on the right, a bit higher up, be a house?
Is it the Thomas Telford Bridge at Invermoriston. It is a double arch but some of the views look to be of a single span.
http://www.greatglenway.fsnet.co.uk/i4.jpg
And if we look at the left mug ( yes I apologise) on this pic it seems to be of a similar angle
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ohe2Gq6eL.jpg
Just putting it out there
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Very close, dg, but I think the R Moriston is flowing in a deeper, rockier, gorge and it's a slightly taller bridge.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2360087
This is taken from the double arch bridge and the incline of the bridge is to the right. Ours is to the left ... so we would see the other bridge through it.
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Keep going then ;D
But tomorrow
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I too had considered this one...but...there are so many bridges that are like this one but very few of them match the hillside backdrop.
Carol
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Could it be the Peak District, somewhere like Dovedale?
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It's probably behind the thatched cottage, which is down the road from the quirky chapel next door to the house with the tower and a stones throw from the georgian house that replaced the mock tudor house. :P :P :P :P
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....which was the house that Jack built perhaps!!
Jeanne
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In the same street Caz grew up in ;D
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It's probably behind the thatched cottage, which is down the road from the quirky chapel next door to the house with the tower and a stones throw from the georgian house that replaced the mock tudor house. :P :P :P :P
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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"It's probably behind the thatched cottage, which is down the road from the quirky chapel next door to the house with the tower and a stones throw from the georgian house that replaced the mock tudor house."
I have found them all. They are in the village next to Bellabeg, Upper Donside, Aberdeenshire.
Regards
Malky
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That's hilarious Malky...love it.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Could it be near Sedbergh with Winder Fell in the background.These two entirely separate images have a "feel" about them,whether they are compatible I don't know.I have tried Google Earth without success.
http://www.scenicbritain.co.uk/coppermine/albums/uploads/gallery2/batch4/YD021.JPG
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5545/11963443164_4a3f946e7a_b.jpg
Regards
Roger
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Could it be near Sedbergh with Winder Fell in the background.These two entirely separate images have a "feel" about them,whether they are compatible I don't know.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5545/11963443164_4a3f946e7a_b.jpg
Regards
Roger
Oooh! Sharp intake of breath ......................................
Frank.
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It is very similar to bridges at Rosthwaite and Grange in Borrowdale, and the fells look similar...now searching along River Derwent.
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....which was the house that Jack built perhaps!!
Jeanne
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That's hilarious Malky...love it.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Carol
Me too! ;D ;D
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Could it be near Sedbergh with Winder Fell in the background.These two entirely separate images have a "feel" about them,whether they are compatible I don't know.I have tried Google Earth without success.
http://www.scenicbritain.co.uk/coppermine/albums/uploads/gallery2/batch4/YD021.JPG
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5545/11963443164_4a3f946e7a_b.jpg
Regards
Roger
Too hard to call…any expert eyes out there that would like to confirm this is right??
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Could it be near Sedbergh with Winder Fell in the background.These two entirely separate images have a "feel" about them,whether they are compatible I don't know.I have tried Google Earth without success.
http://www.scenicbritain.co.uk/coppermine/albums/uploads/gallery2/batch4/YD021.JPG
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5545/11963443164_4a3f946e7a_b.jpg
Regards
Roger
I have a real good feeling that this is our bridge taken from the other side...it looks like there is a tree obscuring the second arch in our photo...you can see there is a tree there under the first arch in the Flicker photo.
Carol
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Flipped it and converted to black and white....See what you think.
Mm...not sure now...I think it could be different stone ::)
Carol
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fob/
Regards
Malky
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Pleeeeease, some one say "YES!!" that's the bridge................. ;D ;D ;D
Frank.
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Ooo...Malky...just when I thought it was safe to come back on here....now I've got the hump again because I thought it was found ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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I did wonder about this from the same area(one in Malky's link),there are a number of similar at confluence points(as previously suggested) with The Lune(Rawthey?)
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8247/8465002796_fbe5babfc2_b.jpg
Regards
Roger
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I have been looking at the river Derwent. Some of the backgrounds have possibilities, but nailing this one down is surely problematic, as the angle of sight has to be quite accurate to get things to line up.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01foc/
Regards
Malky
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Sorry but I really only see a single arch on the original photo.
Mike
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So do I. ::) ::) ::)
Regards
Malky
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And there are no fells like that next to the bridge at Sedbergh.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/search/millthrop+bridge/data=!4m2!2m1!4b1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/search/millthrop+bridge/data=!4m2!2m1!4b1)
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Can't get away from bridges...going away for a few days tomorrow...over Humber Bridge ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Can't get away from bridges...going away for a few days tomorrow...over Humber Bridge ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
One thing for sure is that it isn't the Humber Bridge! Have a good holiday.
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Any chance this is the Tarf bridge up Glen Esk?
http://images-00.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/312/099/545_001.jpg
Jen
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I had a look at Tarf, but there are too many bolders in the bedrock.
Regards
Malky who likes Glen Esk
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Can't get away from bridges...going away for a few days tomorrow...over Humber Bridge ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
One thing for sure is that it isn't the Humber Bridge! Have a good holiday.
;D ;D ;D...No hills....Thanks Jan...going to the 1940s Festival at Woodhall Spa...It's also the 70th Anniversary of VE Day Celebrations.
Carol
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Jen, sorry I don't think so, too many rocks and no hill.
I do think this is a single arch bridge but with a little arch to the side. Here is today's bit of useless information - 'bridges sometimes had arches cut into their side supports to take away flood water to prevent the bridge from collapsing.' The old bridge in Lancaster has smaller decorative arches on each support, for this reason. This could probably mean that the water that bridge is over is sometimes quite fast flowing.
I have been on the Pennine way, Dentdale, Lune valley and so many other rivers, without leaving my chair, I have seen bridges like this many times, but each one is not quite right. It must be a stock design.
Pat
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This looks like a great spot for fishing. Maybe we should invite a fishing forum to take a look.
Venelow
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I was thinking from the reflections that the sun is probably behind the camera, but can anyone say which way the water is flowing? I wasn't sure.
Arthur
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I was thinking from the reflections that the sun is probably behind the camera, but can anyone say which way the water is flowing? I wasn't sure.
Arthur
I'd say towards the camera.
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Do you think it could be an outfall from a lake?
Pat
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Have we ruled out this one?
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/stone-bridge-over-river-lake-district-high-res-stock-photography/128390616
Trees on either side, slope of hill behind, areas of trees on slope behind, etc are all very similar.
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Yes I think I posted that one earlier in the thread Liz.
Carol
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Sorry, Carol. I was away last week so not up to speed! And I admit I had not read the whole thread through - just skimmed enough to work out it had not been solved!
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Maybe it's like Gella Bridge up glen Clova.... :'(
Going
http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/00/23/2002365_d5d11f07.jpg
Going
https://www.flickr.com/photos/65199423@N07/6844664898/
Gone
https://www.flickr.com/photos/65199423@N07/6882779955/
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Another bridge with shallow river and very similar hill in the background. Newton Bridge, River Almond, Sma' Glen, Perthshire. This is a Wade Bridge. Lots built in very similar style in the Scottish Highlands.
www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1993414
Click on 'Bridge Carries the A822 over the River' on bottom left of photo for a few more views of this bridge.
Newton Bridge again.
www.fishingnet.com/angling/river-almond
Scroll down to 5th photo. (Found before fishing forum mentioned!)
View through the arch on this one.
www.scotlandsoldestbridges.co.uk/photos/newton3.jpg
Don't think this is the right bridge, too chunky, but the hill in the background is very, very similar. Find it on Google Maps under Newton Bridge, Dunkeld.
Regards, Dod.
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Have we ruled out this one?
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/stone-bridge-over-river-lake-district-high-res-stock-photography/128390616
Trees on either side, slope of hill behind, areas of trees on slope behind, etc are all very similar.
I still feel this one could be it, but sadly it is unidentified as well ;D
Jan ;)
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Afraid, doing an overlay, there are to many differences, including the actual structure. The depth of the ringstones and spandrel wall are different. The far bank at the other side of the bridge, and the hillside have differences as well.
Regards
Malky
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You people are amazing, you have such patience and dedication. I'd have given up long ago and parked this one next to the Quirky Chapel and labelled them both "just too bl**dy hard!" ;D ;D ;D
Caz
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You people are amazing, you have such patience and dedication. I'd have given up long ago and parked this one next to the Quirky Chapel and labelled them both "just too bl**dy hard!" ;D ;D ;D
Caz
Oh no don't mention the Quirky Chapel!!!! ;D
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Or number 12
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Since we've had a few from the Langdale area, might this possibly be Elterwater Bridge? This is the best picture I've found:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ministry/8435578276
Unfortunately I can't find one with the same viewpoint, so I may be completely mistaken. Also I see that the modern photo shows tie beams in the bridge, though presumably these could be more recent. Anyway, I'd be interested to know what others think, especially our Cumbrian contingent.
Arthur
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I had the same thought,but was looking for a more convincing viewpoint,like yourself.
Regards
Roger
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I would SO like this to be Elterwater but I think the stones that form the arch on the original bridge look more uniform than those that form the arch on the Elterwater bridge. The Elterwater bridge looks more decorative to me than the original bridge.
Jen
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The original bridge has a very even "inner" arch. On the Elterwater bridge, the "inner" arch has stone of random lengths.
By "inner" arch, I mean the lower course of stones. :)
EDIT: I see jennywren001 has just said the same thing. :)
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What about this one.......Is the house you see a bit in this photo , the lighter bits in the old photo....If that makes sense!
http://www.francisfrith.com/dalehead-crags/dalehead-grange-hall-bridge-1921_71216
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The original bridge has a very even "inner" arch. On the Elterwater bridge, the "inner" arch has stone of random lengths.
By "inner" arch, I mean the lower course of stones. :)
EDIT: I see jennywren001 has just said the same thing. :)
You both make a valid point. Anyway, as well as the bridge I was thinking about the hillside beyond, and while I may have been wrong with Elterwater, I wonder if it would be easier to identify that than the actual bridge?
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What about this one.......Is the house you see a bit in this photo , the lighter bits in the old photo....If that makes sense!
http://www.francisfrith.com/dalehead-crags/dalehead-grange-hall-bridge-1921_71216
I like this one too. I kept coming back to it when I was looking for this little bridge and also WAI 176 (the one with a weir).
The Francis Frith site have linked this photo to the wrong Dalehead however. Dale Head in Cumbria is near Great Gable, which this background hill certainly isn't.
The Dalehead where Grange Hall Bridge stood was part of the Hodder Valley area (Bowland, Lancashire) that was flooded to create the Stocks reservoir
http://www.dalehead.org/grange_hall.htm
Scroll down to the bridge photo, supplied by a former Dalehead resident. Very interesting website.
I think it was Trishanne who mentioned the similarity to packhorse bridges in Bowland, very early on in the thread :D Quite difficult to find evidence for a bridge that was flooded under 100 feet of water though!
:) Barbara
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The water seems to be very shallow the side facing us on our bridge, with just some gravel banks showing. There is no sign of any rocks.
I am still wondering if it is the outfall of a lake.
Pat
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Since looking at a couple of the others that have been found, I'm more inclined to think Scotland. Mike and a couple of other people are extremely familiar with the Lake District, so I would have thought that perhaps it would have been recognised by them by now if it was indeed the LD. Of course, I am only assuming and you know what that does don't you….. :P :P :P
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Since looking at a couple of the others that have been found, I'm more inclined to think Scotland. Mike and a couple of other people are extremely familiar with the Lake District, so I would have thought that perhaps it would have been recognised by them by now if it was indeed the LD. Of course, I am only assuming and you know what that does don't you….. :P :P :P
The trouble is that there are so many little stone bridges like this. I see more and more every time I go out for a drive or a walk, all of them very similar in design. It could well be here in the Lakes (or in Scotland, or the Yorkshire Dales) and I might have seen it many times, but I can't quite make it fit any of the ones I have seen.
Mike
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Getting well excited here...I've taken the image below and place it over the original and in my mind the hillsides can be lined up. This bridge was mentioned before it crosses the River Almond in the Sma Glen. Hubbie says I'm making it fit! Could someone else please have a look.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newton_Bridge_in_the_Sma_Glen_-_geograph.org.uk_-_920595.jpg
Jen
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Gosh, that does look similar, doesn't it! I would query the height from the apex of the arch to the top of the bridge - on the original photo, I think that the apex of the arch is closer to the top of the bridge than on Newton Bridge. But then, that might be to do with scale, and angle of photo etc :-\
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Think t looks really close Jen. Taken from a slightly different angle and a different season, but still very close. ;D I really hope you are right. :)
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Good points spidermonkey. It's almost as though someone has added an extra row or two or stones.
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Also bank visible through the arch in the modern photo but not in Caz's ...... :-\
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Sorry :(
It's clearly been totally rebuilt if it's the same bridge. The proportions are just not right.
By their very nature, these bridges are likely to be in valleys, and valleys often have sloping hills in the background. :-\
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I've looked at another photo and the bank behind the bridge is even more prominent - oh no another sleepless night ;D
Jen
https://www.flickr.com/photos/93915046@N08/15578734419/in/photostream/
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Another view of Newton Bridge - you can't see much of the bridge itself, but the hillside is very similar:
http://www.scottishhills.com/html/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10980
(scroll down a little - it's the first picture on the page)
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Another picture here:
http://canmore.org.uk/site/112283/newton-bridge
This one's from 1976, and I think the parapet is lower than in newer pictures. This page also has some historical notes about it.
Still looks good (to me at least)...
Edit:
A further view from 1948:
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/imu/imu.php?request=display&port=45175&id=80bc&flag=ecatalogue&offset=11&count=default&view=details&listcount=20
and now I'm having doubts again. It's that parapet...
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Not only that, the mountain profile is wrong, and the river is also wrong. Ahh well, some day.
Regards
Malky
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Other possibilities, 9th and 10th set down, right hand side :-
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Gallery:A939
http://www.boydharris.co.uk/snap_blog15/snaps1501.htm
7th down, right hand
http://flickrhivemind.net/User/allanmaciver
but i'm not holding my breath. I think that this is an English bridge, due to the lack of boulders below it. But I could be wrong. There's a couple on the Isle of Skye I'm about to have a look at.
Regards
Malky
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Malky, in your 2nd link it refers to the bridge as being a General Wade bridge, as is the bridge at Newton.
General Wade was Commander in Chief of the army in northern Britain. He went to Scotland in 1724 and was in charge of the building of 240 miles of roads and 30 - 40 bridges to try andcontrol the Jacobite rebellion. These are known as Wades roads. It is said he used the same wooden former for many of his bridges, so they have the same arch span etc. There could be a possibility it is one of his bridges, or on the other hand, maybe not. ???
Pat
edit. I've just seen your 3rd link is a Wades bridge too !!
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Yes Trish, there are several under his name. Myself and google search are having a peaceful night off. I will forget about searching and I will be relaxing with a pack of cards, playing BRIDGE. Araggggggggggggggggg ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Regards
Malky
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Since looking at a couple of the others that have been found, I'm more inclined to think Scotland. Mike and a couple of other people are extremely familiar with the Lake District, so I would have thought that perhaps it would have been recognised by them by now if it was indeed the LD. Of course, I am only assuming and you know what that does don't you….. :P :P :P
The trouble is that there are so many little stone bridges like this. I see more and more every time I go out for a drive or a walk, all of them very similar in design. It could well be here in the Lakes (or in Scotland, or the Yorkshire Dales) and I might have seen it many times, but I can't quite make it fit any of the ones I have seen.
Mike
You see…you should never assume! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes Trish, there are several under his name. Myself and google search are having a peaceful night off. I will forget about searching and I will be relaxing with a pack of cards, playing BRIDGE. Araggggggggggggggggg ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Regards
Malky
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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In case anyone is convinced it's in Scotland and has the time for a lengthy trawl, here's a site dedicated to Highland Bridges:
http://www.kweimar.de/SCMap.html
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From Arthur's link…
Would someone like to say yay or nay (she says with nervous excitement)!
http://www.kweimar.de/Bilder_XML.php?ket=S1268#prettyPhoto[pp_gal]/0/
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Click on the first small photo on that link… :-X
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About 4th pic down is an oil painting of Brig O Turk bridge. Its the background that makes me think Cazza is very very close.
http://www.electricscotland.com/pictures/oldpics13.htm
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Does this help?
Looks it to me, but would love a 2nd, 3rd or however many opinions….
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About 4th pic down is an oil painting of Brig O Turk bridge. Its the background that makes me think Cazza is very very close.
http://www.electricscotland.com/pictures/oldpics13.htm
Oooh… :o :o :o...
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And just in case the painting was a pigment of someone's imagination here's a postcard of the same view.
Jen
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Yay!!!!! :D :D :D :D Thanks Jen for the confirmation!!! Dead chuffed!!! ;D ;D ;D
I was sitting in the car playing with my phone yesterday, when I saw Arthur's link and sat trying to pass the time on a boring drive playing with the flags. Anyway, long story short, I continued on today keeping around the areas where some of the other WAIs are located and... it paid off!! ;D ;D ;D
That's a great link Arthur….thanks so much for posting it!!!
Happy to mark this one completed!!
Caz
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Well done cazza ;D
Great link arthurk ;)
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Well done cazza ;D
Great link arthurk ;)
;D ;D ;D Thanks dg!
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Brilliant! So much for searching The Lake District!
djm297
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Hate to put a damper on things and wishful thinking, but there are differences in the river banks, the flow, the sklyine and bridge construction.
http://www.francisfrith.com/trossachs-the/trossachs-brig-o-turk-1899_44609
Regards
Malky
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Malky might have a point... What's always struck me about the WAI bridge is that one end seems higher than the other, whereas a lot of the ones we're finding seem to have an apex at the centre of the arch. Or am I imagining things?
Arthur
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That was a contributory factor in why I proposed a two (or more) span bridge,together with the impression of more river to the right,posssibly even a confluence.
Regards
Roger
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Compare with the colour photo :)
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Hate to put a damper on things and wishful thinking, but there are differences in the river banks, the flow, the sklyine and bridge construction.
http://www.francisfrith.com/trossachs-the/trossachs-brig-o-turk-1899_44609
Regards
Malky
Aw really…I was so sure. Particularly when I saw Jen's postcard. :(
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Could someone please look at all the pictures on the link Cazza posted before:
http://www.kweimar.de/Bilder_XML.php?ket=S1268#prettyPhoto[pp_gal]/0/
It's just when I look at some of the pictures the top looks flat then I look at another picture and it looks arched in the middle??? Is one side arched and the other flat?
Jen
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Well done Cazza!
S_L
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Thanks SL! ;D
I still think it's right, particular when you compare the brick work, but as a couple of people have expressed doubts, when I get a minute, I'm going to try and overlay my photo with a different one and try to positively match the bricks…not sure what else to do.
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You can go to Brig O Turk Bridge on Street View and compare the surrounding landscape. It carries the A821 road
I have niggly doubts myself, would like to see that hill from the Street View outlook but so far I can't find it ...
:) Barbara
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I really can't make up my mind on this one. I've googled lots of images of Brig o Turk, and the micro-landscape around it has changed quite a lot over the years so they all look different. I haven't found one yet that would say definitely yes or definitely no. It has to be a contender, for the moment.
I know of a landscape history group based in the Trossachs so I'll see whether they can help.
At the moment, I would have say "not proven".
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I really can't make up my mind on this one. I've googled lots of images of Brig o Turk, and the micro-landscape around it has changed quite a lot over the years so they all look different. I haven't found one yet that would say definitely yes or definitely no. It has to be a contender, for the moment.
I know of a landscape history group based in the Trossachs so I'll see whether they can help.
At the moment, I would have say "not proven".
:( Party pooper! Kidding!! ;D ;D I agree, we have to be sure and you're right about trying to find two images that remotely look like the same.
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PS I have marked the topic "Uncompleted" until we find proof positive (but I'm sure I'm right :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D).
Caz
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Hello Cazza59,
Hope this is the proof you need.
Not much of the bridge on show on this old Postcard but click on the image to enlarge and take a close look at the hill in the background. I'd be grateful if someone would do an overlay but I'm 100% sure your "Little Bridge" is Brig o' Turk.
Hope I'm not too early to say congratulations. Fantastic find. :) ;D ;D :)
(Especially since I've been searching Scottish bridges for the last 2 weeks) :'(
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170919206244?clk_rvr_id=878637477569&rmvSB=true
Best regards, Dod.
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:)
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That does look good, doesn't it?
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Hello,
Thankyou 'Geoff-E.' I hope the smiley face on the overlay means yes!
Lots of views of the Brig o' Turk on this website, including a lovely moonlight scene. Like Cazza's photo, one or two of these show an area through the bridge that looks like rough water. Another reason I'm sure Cazza has found the right bridge.
http://uk.picclick.com/Collectables/?q=Brig+o%27+Turk%2C
Best regards, Dod.
Added. Singled out this photograph because it shows a little (fisherman's?) shelter against the bridge. Could the roof of that be the little dark area seen on Cazza's photograph? Looks too dense just to be shadows from foliage.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361295189683?clk_rvr_id=878668270782&rmvSB=true
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Wow, well done Cazza!
Like others, I was searching the Lake District. ::)
Brilliant find - no doubt in my mind.
Yorkslass
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Brig o' Turk it is then - Geoff-E's overlay even shows those diagonal markings on the hill in the background. A result, well done!
:) Barbara
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I bought an old photo album a few years ago and this photo was in it, the back says The Brig o' Turk, just another for comparison.
Terry
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Great stuff!!
:) :) :) :)
Frank.
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I'm convinced. Well done Cazza ;D
Jan ;)
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Good one ;D :D
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Gee Caz, it's pretty rough when you have to ID your own postcards. ;D
Only joking - well done! I bet you are thrilled. ;D
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Another one solved, well done, that was difficult because so many bridges look alike. Now to find the one with the weir, number 176 ;D ;D
Pat
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Hello Cazza59,
Hope this is the proof you need.
Not much of the bridge on show on this old Postcard but click on the image to enlarge and take a close look at the hill in the background. I'd be grateful if someone would do an overlay but I'm 100% sure your "Little Bridge" is Brig o' Turk.
Hope I'm not too early to say congratulations. Fantastic find. :) ;D ;D :)
(Especially since I've been searching Scottish bridges for the last 2 weeks) :'(
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170919206244?clk_rvr_id=878637477569&rmvSB=true
Best regards, Dod.
Yay!! ;D ;D ;D
Thanks so much for this Dod, but I can't take all the credit. If it wasn't for Arthurk's link, I would not have found it as I wasn't intentionally looking for it up until Arthur provided the means!
It's absurdly pleasing to find one of the WAIs that have been outstanding for awhile, and it's akin to finding that elusive ancestor!! ;D ;D
Caz
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:)
No doubt its there.. ;D ;D ;D
Thanks Geoff!!
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That does look good, doesn't it?
Certainly does..I'm well pleased with myself!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Wow, well done Cazza!
Like others, I was searching the Lake District. ::)
Brilliant find - no doubt in my mind.
Yorkslass
Thanks Yorkslass! :) :) :) Have to reiterate though, if it wasn't for Arthur, we'd still be looking!
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Compare with the colour photo :)
Forgot to thank you for this Geoff. Does provide two further points for comparison if there was any doubt. :) :)
Caz
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Great stuff!!
:) :) :) :)
Frank.
Thanks Frank! :) :)
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I'm convinced. Well done Cazza ;D
Jan ;)
Thanks Jan! :) :)
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Good one ;D :D
You need to share in the credit Arthur, without your brilliant link I wouldn't have found it. The one thing that narrowed the search on that site, was starting to search around areas where other WAIs had been located and it paid off!
We need to keep that link handy for any future searches! 8) 8)
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Gee Caz, it's pretty rough when you have to ID your own postcards. ;D
Only joking - well done! I bet you are thrilled. ;D
You would think I'd discovered a cure for the common cold, but it is quite a buzz finding one albeit with Arthur's guiding hand! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Caz
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Now to find the one with the weir, number 176 ;D ;D
Pat
Groan…. :( :(
;D ;D ;D ;D
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PS Thanks to everyone that gave up their time on this one (actually on all of them), as always, very much appreciated! :-* :-*
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Good one ;D :D
You need to share in the credit Arthur, without your brilliant link I wouldn't have found it. The one thing that narrowed the search on that site, was starting to search around areas where other WAIs had been located and it paid off!
We need to keep that link handy for any future searches! 8) 8)
Thanks for all the mentions, but I was only passing on what I'd found.
I actually came across the Highland Bridges site a while ago, probably in connection with a WAI, but didn't save the link. Then with No. 134 I remembered that there are some interesting old photos at RCAHMS (the body responsible for ancient monuments etc in Scotland), and in a special collection on the St Andrew's University website. I checked these out when Newton Bridge was suggested, and rediscovered the link.
I'm using a tablet here a lot of the time at present, and found that the Highland Bridges site didn't work very well on that (for me at least) so I thought I'd mention it so that someone else could have a go. Very glad it paid off.
Arthur :)