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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Jonquill on Monday 06 July 15 03:40 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find a John DONALD, in a newspaper article dated 01 April 1871 he charges someone with assault after claiming they kicked him in the head at a public house, one of the witnesses is his brother Richard DONALD. Richard is my great x? grandfather, but I have never encountered John before.
John is described as "an upholsterer, of 78 Bramley Road" (Kensington) this is Richard's address but John is not there in the 1871 census.
Richard was born about 1837 in the City of London, his parents are Richard Kent DONALD a smith b about 1813 in Marylebone and Mary MULLOGHNY b about 1815 Ireland. They married in 1837.
John is not with the family in 1851 or 1861 and I can't find them in 1841.
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Good Afternoon
Could this be the family in 1841 ?
Sycamore Place St Pancras
Richard Donald 25 smith y
Sarah 20 y
George 2 y
Richard 5 y
They might have made a mistake with the wife's name.
Ciderdrinker
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Thanks Ciderdrinker, except for Mary / Sarah it is tantalizingly similar to the family I am looking for, I'm not sure if they are the same people or not.
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Have you an age and/or address for John from the newspaper report? Given that the census was taken on 2 April 1871 he should be traceable - then you could get more info about him.
Sorry - I now see you've covered the address bit. But does it give his age?
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No avm, no age or other clues.
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Hi,
This doesn't have much to go on but maybe the Registration District will help ???
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26G8-Z3H
Annie
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Jonquill,
Still looking but found this:
Name William Thomas Donald
Baptism 4 Oct 1846
Father Richard Donald
Mother Mary Donald
Parish or Poor Law Union (St Marylebone)
Borough of Westminster (Parish Registers)
Annie
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Thanks Annie, although my Richard and Mary have a son called William there is also a very similar Richard and Mary Donald that also have one. They catch me out all the time, but my Richard is a smith and the other guy is wood turner or a chair maker. And that William Thomas belongs to the wood turner.
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Perhaps the name John was mis-quoted in the paper, is there another account in another paper or any court records for the case?
Jennifer
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Oh darn Jennifer, I think you are on to something, I checked the newspapers again and Richard was back in court the week after for not paying the cabby who drove his brother to the hospital and police station after the fight. Except this time the witness was called Frederick Donald. As far as I know he doesn't have a brother called Frederick either >:(
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Does it say the one attacked was john or Frederick?
Jennifer
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West London Observer - Saturday 08 April 1871
A Disputed Cab Fare. - Richard Donald, the broker of the Bramley Road, was summoned for 4s., a cab fare. George Rowland Bryant, a cab driver, of 7, Southbrook Street, Hammersmith, said that on the night of the 25th ult. he was passing by the Richmond Hotel, Brook Green Road, when the defendant hired him to take his brother to the hospital. He drove him and the defendant. He waited at the hospital about half an hour.
The defendant said he would appeal to the magistrate whether it would take half an hour to strap up a man's head.
Mr Ingam said he did know as he was not a doctor. (Laughter)
The witness further said that he afterwards took them to the police station, where he waited more than half an hour. The time altogether was 1 1/2 hours, the distance was three quarters of a mile.
The defendant said he resisted payment on public grounds as is was a case of attempted extortion.
He called Frederick Donald, who denied that the cabman waited the time, but said he did not look at a clock.
Mr Ingham said that the cabman spoke very precise as to the time. He ordered the defendant to pay 4s and 5s costs.
The defendant asked for time to pay the money, but the magistrate told him to pay it at once.
The money was then paid.
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It was in front of the same magistrate too. Richard was often in trouble with the law, in one article it describes him as the 'notorious' broker of Bramley Road, I wouldn't put it past him to make up a name for the 'brother'.
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Another assault - West London Observer - Saturday 13 May 1871
Frederick Donald an upholsterer of 78 Bramley Road Notting Hill was charged with assaulting Levi Shepherd....
Richard Donald was a witness.
I've found a Frederick Donald , upholsterer b 1840 in Camden Town in the 1871 census, so perhaps he is a real person after all.