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Title: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: susan56 on Friday 03 July 15 18:45 BST (UK)
Hello,
I have just started tracing my family tree of Venables
I noticed that there have been some topics of James and Emily Hennel

My Grandfather was Sidney Richard Venables who Married Ada Madeline Copley.
My Dad was Harry James Venables Son of Sidney and Ada.

Sidney Richard first wife Newhouse had a son named Sidney Richard Venables he is my Dads half brother.

If any one is tracing the Venables Family tree I sure could do with some help.

Thank you
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 03 July 15 19:21 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat, have you this baptism:-

Sidney Richard Venables 13th June 1889 St John the Divine, Kennington Father James occ Iron Worker Mother Emily abode 19, Hollington Street.

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: susan56 on Friday 03 July 15 22:20 BST (UK)
Yes, Thank You
Are you a family member of the venables family tree
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 03 July 15 22:28 BST (UK)
Yes, Thank You
Are you a family member of the venables family tree

No I am not related, but I did once shake the hand of Terry Venables, and saw him play!

So just exactly what help is it you are looking for?

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: susan56 on Friday 03 July 15 22:37 BST (UK)
was wondering if you knew who James Venables who was married to Emily Hennell where?

also did James have any siblings

Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: susan56 on Friday 03 July 15 22:45 BST (UK)
Sorry,
that was supposed to read
Do you know who James Venables Parents where?
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 03 July 15 23:05 BST (UK)
Hi so as to get a guide for ages etc this is the family in 1891:-


James Venables 34 occ Iron Worker b Westminster
Emily 34 b Westminster
Alfred 13 b Wandsworth
Louisa 12 b Westminster
John 9 b Stockwell
Adeline 5 b Camberwell
Sydney 2 b Camberwell
Residing at Hollington Street, Camberwell
Census Ref Rg12/487/101/50

I see that their must have been some sort of problem with the likely marriage of the couple?

28th November 1877 St John the Evangelist, Lambeth James Venable/Emily Hamell both Full age and then it states " Marriage not proceeded with"

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: susan56 on Friday 03 July 15 23:13 BST (UK)
mmmmm

Wonder why not proceeded with ?

Any help if James had brothers and sisters?
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 04 July 15 00:16 BST (UK)
Hi again, he is a hard man to pin down prior to 1891 census, but appears to stick to pob of Westminster, also I cannot locate at present the baptisms of Alfred b c 1877/8 Wandsworth or Louisa b c 1878/9 Westminster, but note the baptism of Adeline Maud KINNIARD Venables 2nd March 1886 St John the Divine, Kennington, Father James occ General Dealer Mother Emily abode 11, Sultan? Street
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: susan56 on Saturday 04 July 15 00:32 BST (UK)
Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 04 July 15 01:21 BST (UK)
Looking at the various census his birth year varies between 1852 and 1859 although as already mentioned birthplace consistently Westminster!

I have found the following living in 4 St. Anns Lane, St. John the Evangelist,Westminster in 1871:

Head of household is Henry Brown    45      General Dealer        born London
Lodger: Rebecca Venables  45                              born Westminster
Lodger: Frances Venables   13                                  ditto
Lodger: Henry Venables 20      General Dealer           ditto
Lodger: James Venables 17      General Dealer           ditto

Both Henry Brown and Rebecca Venables are shown as unmarried!

Daughter Frances was indeed born in Westminster in 1858 registered as Frances Rebecca Venables.  When she married in 1883 she gives her fathers name as Henry Venables, Commercial Traveller.

1. I cannot find a marriage between a Henry Venables and a Rebecca (who's shown as unmarried in 1871 anyway).
2. Are Henry Brown and the Henry Venables? quoted as Frances father when she married actually the same person?

I cannot find a marriage/remarriage for a Rebecca Venables nor a likely death.   Nor can I find her after 1871 (in 1881 her daughter Frances is a boarder in Newington but listed under her second name Rebecca.)

In 1861 can only find Frances aged 3 living with a family in Westminster and she is shown as 'nurse child'.   Cannot find the two boys anywhere.

Annette   
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: Snow on Monday 30 May 16 15:38 BST (UK)
Hi Susan56
I am the granddaughter of Lily Venables. Sister to Sidney Richard Venables. I have a lot of info on the Venables if you like.
 
Title: Re: Venables Family Camberwell
Post by: susan56 on Thursday 26 September 24 10:22 BST (UK)
Hello
I am Susan venables I have just started again to research my dads family tree. Venables.  My grandfather is Sidney Richard venables but that's I know could you please add any info thank you