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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: G_B_W on Tuesday 30 June 15 03:12 BST (UK)
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This forum was very helpful last August in pointing me towards information about my great grandparents Thomas Williams and Mary Penprase who lived and died in Camborne. I recently visited Camborne from California and found their house on Centenary Row and Thomas Williams' grave. My grandfather, George, is listed in the 1911 census as the second of 7 children living at 10 Centenary Row. I would like to find out anything about his siblings, when they died, whether they married, etc. So far, I haven't turned up any information about them. The children listed in the 1911 Census are Arthur, 23, George, 22 (my grandfather), Archie, 19, Fred, 17, Edith, 16, Ethel, 15, Ester, 14. The oldest daughter, Rose, 25, was probably married and gone from home. (My previous post was "Looking for Mary PENPRASE or PINPRAZE in Camborne", Tuesday August 14, 2014).
Thank you for any help
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Link to previous thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=695784.
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Have you identified births for all of them from e.g. free bmd, as their age in the census can be a year out?
e.g.Is this Archie?
Births June quarter 1891 Archie Williams Redruth 5c 227
Have you looked for marriages and deaths in the same area? As the surname is so very common it will be difficult to identify them if they have moved away.
Were any of the family in the same grave or buried in the same cemetery as Thomas Williams?
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Thank you for your reply. No, I haven't confirmed the births. I was unaware of the Free BMD service. I have been using Ancestry(dot)com without much success with Thomas' children. I will see what I can find. Buried with Thomas is a 10 month old Irene Williams, presumably his daughter, who was buried in 1899 five months after he was. A Caroline Yeo, aged 8 Months, was also buried in 1915. It seems strange that a non-family member is buried with him, but my grandfather George married Laura Yeo in 1919. Perhaps the families were close. Thomas Williams and Elias Yeo, my other great grandfather, both worked at the South Crofty Mine.
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This will be the birth and death of Caroline - and her Mother's maiden name was Williams:
Births March quarter 1915 Caroline Yeo (mmn Williams) Redruth 5c 331
Deaths December quarter 1915 Caroline Yeo age 0 Redruth 5c 260
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Caroline's Mother could be Edith, as there is this possible marriage:
Marriages December quarter 1914
Edith Williams Redruth 5c 447
Charles Yeo Redruth 5c 447
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If this is Edith's birth (from free bmd):
Births December quarter 1894 Edith Williams Redruth 5c 190
then this could just about be her death (from ancestry):
Edith Yeo
Birth Date 22 Aug 1894
Date of Registration Sep 1979
Registration district: Camborne-Redruth
Volume 21 Page 0157
Her birth certificate would confirm if it is the correct Edith (parents) and what was the actual birth date, to check if correct death.
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Think Charles could be the brother of Laura - parents Elias and Esther in 1901 census?
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I know the area and would say that there's a strong possibility many of them still live there, or within 5 miles. It might be worth putting a small advert in the local papers - and/or contacting the local media. It gets a bit quiet down there, not much for the papers/radio to cover, so you might get lucky and get the story picked up.
Main newspapers are:
Cornish Guardian
Western Morning News
West Briton
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If Esther never married, this could be her birth and death:
Births March quarter 1897 Esther Williams Redruth 5c 208 (from free bmd)
Esther Williams Birth Date 4 Jan 1897
Date of Registration Apr 1996 at Camborne-redruth
Register Number 51 District 3551 Entry Number 60 (from ancestry)
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There are various Ethel's born around Redruth and married in Redruth.
However, this could be her birth and death (from free bmd)
Births December quarter 1895 Ethel Williams Redruth 5c 208
Deaths June quarter 1968 Ethel Williams age 72 Redruth 7a 159
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Possible probate for Ethel - of Chapel Terrace Portreath
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=williams&yearOfDeath=1968&page=20#calendar
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Thank you chempat for the leads and StanleysChesterton for the suggestion to advertise. Yes, Charles Yeo was Laura's brother, the son of Elias and Esther. If, as seems likely, Charles Yeo married Edith Williams, then the two families were even closer than I imagined with brother and sister marrying brother and sister. No wonder Caroline was buried in Thomas' grave. Charles died in India at age 20 in 1915. I wonder if he would have been in the military there?
When I was in Camborne last month, I felt that there must be descendants of Thomas Williams and Elias Yeo still in the area, but I had no way to find them in the short time I was there. I will research the newspapers mentioned by StanleysChesterton to see if there is a reporter interested in this story. If there is no interest, I will place an advertisement. Thank you so much for the help and ideas.
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I wondered if Charles had died in the war as I could see no other death for him.
That means that Edith lost her daughter and husband in the same year, and then did not remarry.
Which could mean no children from Edith (widow), Ethel (unmarried) and Esther (unmarried).
I also think I could not find a death for Archie - did he die in the War?
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I found the following information about Charles Yeo and Archie Williams:
Charles Yeo died 1 Nov 1915 Hyderabad, India. He enlisted in Truro and was a private in the Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry
Archie sailed from Liverpool for Rio de Janeiro, 14 Jun 1921; his intended place of permanent residence was Brazil.
So far I haven't found anything about Arthur. I met my great uncle Fred in 1973. I don't believe he married. I think he died in 1979. If Edith, Esther and Ethel had no children, and Fred had none, the possible pool of descendants has considerably diminished. I will continue to look for Arthur, born about 1888 and Rose, born about 1895.
Thank you again