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Title: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: mikhalis on Thursday 25 June 15 10:04 BST (UK)
Can anyone shed light on this?  he was the son of Samuel Rutherford Crockett, the Scots author.  Philip was born in 1891 in Scotland and was a reporter in 1911 on a Scottish newspaper. He married Natalia Ivanovana Mikoulina  in Moscow on the 18th November 1914 and from then on has disappeared.  I've been searching for years now and there is no trace, but I have a feeling he (they) may have gone to Canada or the US.  No trace of him serving in WW1 but wondered if he could have been press?  It's driving me nuts  - he's one of the last of the in-laws to find.
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: rosie17 on Thursday 25 June 15 11:46 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to rootschat is this the same family in the 1901 census living Bank Street Penicuik
notice with a different father James McDaid b 1854 Ireland ...So I am assuming the parent's separated  going by the death for Samuel Rutherford Crockett in 1914 ?
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: myluck! on Thursday 25 June 15 12:41 BST (UK)
This may be of interest Immgration of Natalia Mikoulina de Krocket to Argentina (http://comunidad.dateas.com/natalia-mikoulina-krocket)

Translates loosely as
"According to immigration records, Natalia was Krocket Mikoulina of Russian nationality, place of birth being more specifically Samara.

Artist by profession, came to Argentina in the boat Lipari having embarked at Le Havre.

If you want, you can see the entire immigration record."

Natalie may have been a ballet dancer LINK (http://issuu.com/stipart/docs/lesballetsrusses_bd_/227)
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: jorose on Thursday 25 June 15 13:19 BST (UK)
Have you looked at probate/will records for his mother (died 1932) and siblings?

I have found some references to his wife by searching for Crockett at http://archiveshub.ac.uk
from  Ekstrom Collection: Diaghilev and Stravinsky Foundation
dated 1913-1924
Letter from Natalie Crockett known as Nikoulina from Madrid (in Russian)
dated 1919-1920
Contract between Serge Diaghilev and Natalie Crockett known as Nikoulina for Dec 1919 - Aug 1920

Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: jorose on Thursday 25 June 15 13:50 BST (UK)
 http://cemla.com/buscador/
search on MIKOULINA DE KROCKET here and you can also find the date (1927/05/20), occupation "artiste" and status (C = casado, married)

This was not her first arrival - she also travelled in 1924 and 1925 - both times under "Crockett".
No sign of Philip though - did they part ways?

http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/Hotpage/HotpageBN.aspx?bib=178691_05&pagfis=6573&pesq=&esrc=s&url=http://memoria.bn.br/docreader#
 - ths may be a reference to her in a 1921 Brazilian newspaper, as "Natalie Mikulina"
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: Priscilla on Saturday 27 June 15 12:51 BST (UK)
In case you haven't seen this ...

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=crockett&GSfn=samuel&GSmn=r&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=132819461&df=all&
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: Andfosresearch on Sunday 13 September 15 10:16 BST (UK)
I just happened to stumble across this web page. I am a dance historian and am currently researching a London-based dancer from the 1910s/1920s. Her stage name was Natalia Mikoulina and her contract with the Diaghilev Ballets Russes in 1919 gives her real name as Natalie Crockett. She appears on one or two Ballets Russes photos of the period, but details about her background are almost non-existent. Does anybody have any information?
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 13 September 15 11:03 BST (UK)
Crockett was her married name but she was Natalia Ivanovana Mikoulina born Samara, Russia according to what's been posted already.

Russian marriage extract says age 22, single and gives her father as Ivan Feodorovitch Mikoulin-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTFK-T28
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: Andfosresearch on Sunday 13 September 15 11:23 BST (UK)
Excellent. Many thanks for clarifying this. I cannot find her father on either the 1901 or 1917 Moscow name directories, but that doesn't mean a great deal - perhaps he left with her (or had died).
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 13 September 15 11:42 BST (UK)
Going by the date of the marriage (November 1914) marriage to a Brtitish citizen (especially one with Press connections) would have probably made it easier for Natalia to leave Russia. The fact that she continued her career and there doesn't seem to be any sightings (yet) of her and Philip together, it's possible that the marriage didn't last long.
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: Su on Sunday 13 November 16 17:48 GMT (UK)
Thank you for all the above replies.
I'm writing on behalf of Mikhalis who started this thread.
Today she found an obituary in the Scotsman dated 5th May 1940 on FindMyPast for Philip Milner Crockett who died 4th March 1940 age 48 in Mukden Manchukno, a puppet state of Japan but actually in China.
Mikhalis would like to know if anyone can help as to why he would be in Manchukno in 1940?  Would he be reporting on something happening there at the time?  What did he die of?  Was his body repatriated to Scotland?
She's not been able to discover any more than the obituary so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Su (put this post on Common room until re-directed by Sandra)
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 13 November 16 18:53 GMT (UK)
Think it's Manchukuo. Google 'Manchukuo 1940' for ideas and old pictures.
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: jorose on Sunday 13 November 16 20:07 GMT (UK)
http://cisupa.proquest.com/ksc_assets/catalog/11030.pdf
 - this refers to an arrest of Mr P. M. Crockett in 1924 by Bolshevik soldiers in Manchuli (now Manzhouli).

The reference is to part of FO 371/10260 in the National Archives.
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 13 November 16 21:21 GMT (UK)
Philip is back in the UK in 1915 as he writes a letter to the Times from the National Liberal Club, London regarding the Russian public's opinion of WWI
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: Su on Sunday 13 November 16 23:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you all so much for your replies and help.
jorose, gosh that's great information, I spent a good hour going through every page.  I wonder now what happened to him during the time he was arrested by the Bolsheviks and 1940. 
aghadowe, I'll do that - another late night!
Mabel, thank you very much that's also very useful and interesting information.

Many thanks for all your help.
Su
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: ciderdrinker on Monday 14 November 16 13:24 GMT (UK)
Hello
There's a foreign office Gro Consular marriage 1911-1915  for the couple in Russia Moscow 1326 so presumably you could order the marriage certificate from the GRO.
Basic details on Familysearch

Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: Su on Monday 14 November 16 15:52 GMT (UK)
Thank you ciderdrinker (person after my own heart!)
Mikhalis does have the marriage certificate and thanks to other RCs lots of information about Philip's wife.  What she is trying to find out is why he died in Manchuli in 1940 what of and was he buried there or was his body repatriated to Scotland in 1940.
As he was a reporter I'd have thought the Scotsman, who wrote his obituary  or whoever he was writing for would have the answer.  That possibility has only just this minute popped into my mind, that shows how rusty I have become at this after a few years abstinence - or is it too much cider?
I'll email Mikhalis to ask if she's thought of it.
Many thanks again for your kind help.
Su
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 14 November 16 19:25 GMT (UK)
What she is trying to find out is why he died in Manchuli in 1940 what of and was he buried there or was his body repatriated to Scotland in 1940.

I would be surprised if it was repatriated, given it was wartime
Title: Re: philip hugh barbour milner crockett
Post by: kanonking on Friday 10 July 20 11:56 BST (UK)
Apologies if I'm resurrecting an old thread/brekaing any rules. I just transcribed an old letter and in looking for more information, stumbled across this thread. In the offchance that it helps someone else later on in a similar vein, I thought I would post it.

The letter was sent to Lord Tweedmouth, First Lord of the Admiralty in 1906.

"Dear Lord Tweedmouth,

I do not know whether you remember meeting at Lord Rosebery's, but at least you will know my name - & may know some of my books.

I write to thank you for nominating my second son to an Osborne cadetship. I did not write before the nomination, but being an author and by the ready pen, I cannot refrain from doing so after. There is one happy boy in this Family today!

Considered officially, doubtless this is all wrong, but still I wrote "The Raiders" and may be pardoned for doing a little raiding on my "cubs" account.

My eldest boy is Philip, aged 15 nearly, is the best seaman of the household, and crazy to enter the Navy. He was too old before we got back from abroad to enter for Osborne. I applied for permission to send him to Dartmouth under the old regulations, but he was too young for that! He fell between the stools.

He is so determined to be a sailor that he has written through one of our Swedish friends to the King of Sweden asking for a chance in the Swedish Navy. But his mother is desolated that he might have to fight against his own country. So I had to promise to write (though, I fear, quite uselessly) to you to see if in any way he could qualify. He is we think quite brilliant on naval subjects, is strong, 5 ft 11 at 14 1/2 and determined to enter even a South American Navy rather than none at all! It is something of a sin to let a boy with so obvious a call to a profession miss it for the asking - even the importunate asking.

I fear it is quite impossible. But I know you will understand that I write quite personally and "under correction", without the least intention of giving trouble.

Alternatively, there is, I believe still an examination for the Marine Artillery in June 1908 for which Philip would not be too late.

I have just two boys, and we are so fierce on the Navy in this house that, if possible, you should have them both.

With much respect,
I am Dear Lord Tweedmouth,
faithfully yours,
S.R. Crockett"