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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: Elaine Wraith on Tuesday 23 June 15 17:13 BST (UK)
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I wanted to know more about my Grandfathers side of the family. I dont know where to start! My mother died at age 42, maiden name Whittle, her parents Lucy (nee Hunt) and Frank Whittle, Frank had a sister Em (could be Emily). My Dad refuses to talk about them (it must still hurt). I do not know if Frank had a middle name, or even if his name was Francis, but he died in Nottinghamshire on 5th November 1969. I have nobody left to ask. Do I forget about it as there is not alot of information. Your expertness is required please :D
Thank you so much.
I will be wanting to find my husbands side too, but some of that will be in the belgian bit methinks!
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Hallo Elaine,
and welcome to RootsChat.
Do you have any more information about your mother ie:
Name, date of birth.
Viv
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Hi Elaine
Welcome to rootschat :)
This looks like the registration for Frank & Lucy's marriage from freebmd
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriage March qtr 1935
Lucy Hunt (spouse Whittle )
Frank W Whittle (spouse Hunt)
Nottingham reg district 7b 635
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His death reg also on freebmd
Death Dec qtr 1969
Frank William Whittle
date of birth 29Jan 1913
Nottingham reg district 3c 999
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Hi
Family Search has
Frank William Whittle b 29/1/1913 Nottingham d 1969
Frank b 1913
Edith A 1915
Gladys 1917
all born Nottingham, mothers name Reed
Valerie
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Hi and welcome to RootsChat
There is a death registered for Frank William Whittle in the December Quarter 1969 in Nottingham
giving his date of birth as 29th January 1913. (Ref 3c 999)
There is also a marriage for Frank W Whittle to Lucy Hart in March quarter 1935 in Nottingham
(Ref. 7b 635)
All found on this site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/search
Sue
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Births Mar qtr 1913
Frank W Whittle (mmn Read)
Nottingham reg district 7b 719
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Hi Elaine,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Your Grandad Frank William Whittle was born the first quarter 1913 in Nottingham mothers maiden surname Read.
There is an Emily L Whittle born 1910 in Nottingham which could be his sister.
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I suspect that this could be Franks parents marriage
December qtr 1900
Emily Louisa Read
Ernest Whittle
Nottingham reg dist 7b 596
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Oh my goodness - how good you all are - I am now left with a few tears, I have never seen this information before, wow, I will look more at all you have given me, and if none of you mind contact you further for help. Wow, am so speechless, thank you so, so much !
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Hi Elaine
Just come back on this thread when you want more help with this family.
Rosie
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Hi Elaine
Just come back on this thread when you want more help with this family.
Rosie
Thanks Rosie, I think I need to put a post out there to see if anybody knows these people, I know I have family out there on the Whittle side. Now I am getting on a bit, I would like to find some family :D
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Did Gladys die on her first ever ride on a motorcycle?
Gladys Whittle, 17, of 104 Exeter Road, Nottingham, who died in the General Hospital on Sunday from injuries received in motor-cycling
July 1934
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Did Gladys die on her first ever ride on a motorcycle?
Gladys Whittle, 17, of 104 Exeter Road, Nottingham, who died in the General Hospital on Sunday from injuries received in motor-cycling
July 1934
I have no idea on this, i only knew my Grandfather had a sister we called Em. Everybody died young, I was given this name by someone in an earlier post, how do I find out if this is a relative??
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There is another newspaper article which mentions the inquest on Gladys's death and says her father was James Whittle.
The driver of the motorcycles which collided causing the death of Gladys were George Arthur Coles of Lincoln and Charles Richard Clifford of Nottingham. Although not clear from the article I think Gladys was a passenger on Clifford's motorcycle. Coles had been to Nottingham to fetch a man whose fiance lived in Lincoln.
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There is a James Whittle who married a Gertrude Elizabeth Reed in 1898. Looking at 1901, he was around 19 and she around 18 when they married, so quite possible to have a child in 1917. They have a son Ernest who was 4 months old in 1901.
Perhaps the Ernest who married in 1900 was a brother to James - names often run in families.
I think I have Ernest on 1881 census, b abt 1880 in Nottingham, parents Arthur and Mary Ann. I think Arthur is the son of James and Ann.
and James b abt 1879 Nottingham, parents John and Hannah. John looks like the son of John and Frances (1861 census)
This is just going by censuses so need some bmd data to confirm. But it looks as if there isn't a close relationship between James and Ernest.
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There is another newspaper article which mentions the inquest on Gladys's death and says her father was James Whittle.
Elaine
It is always best to confirm information with certificates. ;)
You know your grandparents were Lucy Hunt & Frank Whittle, we found their marriage in 1935 and it shows Frank as Frank W. Whittle. His death in 1969 giving his date of birth as 29th January 1913 leads to this birth registration -
Mar qtr 1913 - Frank W Whittle (mmn Read) - Nottingham reg district 7b 719
The period around 1911 is often a stumbling block. It is easy to search on freebmd after this time as births give mothers maiden surname on the index. Looking for a Whittle Read/Reed marriage gives two possible results but the index does not show who marries who until 1911.
Marriage Dec qtr 1898
Gertrude Elizabeth REED
James Whittle
Nottingham 7b 491
or the one I posted earlier
December qtr 1900
Emily Louisa READ
Ernest Whittle
Nottingham reg dist 7b 596
Please note that Read is spelt differently.
You mention Franks sister Em, she could be the Emily Louisa bn 1910. She is not a daughter of James & Gertrude though. You would need to look at the 1911 census to see who her parents are. ;D
I think you really need Franks birth certificate before assuming anything. These possible siblings posted earlier I believe have different parents as Frank is the only one shown as Read, the girls are Reed.
Frank b 1913
Edith A 1915
Gladys 1917
Rosie ;)
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Right then - firstly thank you ALL for this information.
It seems to me that some of these names need to be ignored as they are not gelling together, some I think could belong to me, the others not, I have got to try and weed out the right ones. I have been given different names of his parents, arghhhh lol, too much information, overload!!!! Dont know what to do with it. ???
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Don't panic! - take it one step at a time.
The 1913 birth registration Rosie found looks good, so unless anyone can find a baptism which would name the parents, the next step would be to buy a copy of his birth certificate.
I think Gladys is a red herring and not related.
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Don't panic! - take it one step at a time.
The 1913 birth registration Rosie found looks good, so unless anyone can find a baptism which would name the parents, the next step would be to buy a copy of his birth certificate.
I think Gladys is a red herring and not related.
Oh bless you ;D yes I like what Rosie did there, helped alot. Where would I start with finding baptism?
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I've checked the usual sites - Ancestry, Freereg, FindMyPast, Familysearch but nothing comes up. Can't find an OPC site for Nottinghamshire. Very few 20th century baptisms are on line
Unless anyone else finds a different site, the only way is to order the cert from the GRO
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Although this costs £9.25 you will get parents names, address and father's occupation, so you can link back to census records.
If his father does turn out to be Ernest, it looks as he is straightforward to trace back a couple more generations.