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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: bparker on Saturday 09 July 05 14:26 BST (UK)
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Looking for someone going to the Surrey Family History Center to do a look up for me please.(Not sure if it is East or West Surrey history center for Pyrford) Or if anyone is reseaching the Napper family tree to check if this family is part of yours. The wife, Mary Ann's maiden name is Parker her father was Benjamin Parker he lived his later years in Weybridge.
Charles Napper occ. grocer, baker and post master of Pyrford
wife Mary Ann (Parker) Napper
children: Ellen Grace, Emiline A, Lily Isabell, Alfred Charles also a baker and post master, Bessie Maud, Blanche, Edith Mary, Herbert Dendy, Florence, George and Alice Ethel. All born and christened in Pyrford church.
thank you for your time, bparker
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Hi again,
If you give me some dates with the names (and places) I'll do what I can at the Surrey History Centre. Also for the Parkers given the info.
Please state exactly what information you require. Parish records are kept in Location/date order.
Ray
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thank you, I am looking for
Charles Napper 1860-on as far as you can. He was born abt. 1842 in Ockley Surrey. on the census I got he was a grocery store owner of more than one store.
Mary Ann Napper maiden name Parker born Dec 16 1836 in Stepney, I would like to know when they married and where. She is the sister to my gg grandfather. Her father was Benjamin Parker, her mother Mary Ann (Norris)Parker, they lived in Weybridge in the 1870's Benjamin is the one that I believe is buried in Brooklands. I have him as a retired barge owner. died of a heart attack if you could find an obit that would be wonderful.
Children: would like to know birth,marriage, death info.
Ellen Grace born abt.1864 in Pyrford as late as 1901 she was still single age 37 living with parents would like to know if she ever married when died.
Emiline A. born abt.1865 Pyrford who did she marry, when died she was 36 in 1901 still living with parents. The name of the place the family was living was called "The Laurels"
Lily Isabel born abt.1867 Pyrford I believe she married John Hall Watson in 1909 would like to know for sure also if she had any children. She came to visit my gg grand in America I think not sure. would like to know when and where died if possible.
Alfred Charles born abt. 1868 was also in his father's business he was a baker and maybe took over the store later. still single in 1901 age 33 still living with parents
Bessie Maud born abt. 1870 married in 1896 would like to know if husband was Richard Storrie or Frederick Charles Coates. any family?
Blanche born 1871 was one month old at time of 1871 census still living with family in 1901 age 30 telegraphist. did she every marry?
Edith Mary born 1872 still with family in 1901 single age 28 ever marry? when and where died
Florence Mary born 1876 still with family in 1901 age 24 single. did she ever marry when and where died
Herbert Dendy born1875 with the family in 1891 but not in 1901 did he marry?
George born1880 was a breadmaker age 20 in 1901 don't know anything more on him.
Alice Ethel born 1884 was still with the family in 1901
All these people lived in Pyrford were christened in the Pyrford church. (St. Nicholas)
In the 1913 trade directory: listed Charles Napper and Sons Grocers Pyrford, Woking,
Dendy Napper, baker 86 High St. Sutton
Herbert Dendy Napper 121 Revelstoke Rd. Wandsworth S.W.
Thank you for doing this. I give this all to you but understand that you may not be able to answer all my question. Any help I would be grateful for.
bparker
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Hi,
I've managed to find quite a bit out on your Nappers. It seems that many of the children never married as I found their death record index as Napper.
Note that I've transcribed Ann/Anne Nappers name as they appear on various documents as I've done with his occupation. I've had a look at 1930 register of electors which came into force October 1930 so I assume the survey would have been done that summer.
The info I have is too much for one posting so I'll divide post up...
Ray
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Charles Napper
Baptised May 16 1841 in Okewood Capel, Ockley, Surrey. He was the son of John Napper, a farmer, and Ann.
Passed away February 24 1926, and buried in Pyrford churchyard.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann and Charles were married in London, so I do not have the marriage records at the Surrey office. I suggest you order the marriage certificate online. You’ll need to quote Mile End district, December 1862 quarter, Volume 1c, page 1101.
She ‘entered into rest’ as the gravestone says, on April 6 1929. Buried along with husband in Pyrford churchyard.
Grace Ellen
Note that it is Grace Ellen and not Ellen Grace.
Baptised September 27 1863, daughter of Charles and Mary Anne, shopkeeper.
Alfred Charles Napper and Grace Napper were the two eligible voters residing at “Dordrecht”, Aviary Road, Pyrford in the summer of 1930.
Buried in Pyrford churchyard along with her sister Florence. Dated November 14 1940. Died after a long illness.
Death info:- December 1940 quarter, Surrey N.W., Volume 2a, Page 895. She was 77.
Don’t order certificate yet as I may be able to get more information first.
Emmeline Augusta
Note correct name.
Baptised April 9 1865, daughter of Charles and Mary Anne, shopkeeper.
Emmeline Augusta Napper, Blanche Napper, George Napper and Florence May Napper were the four eligible voters residing at “The Laurels”, Lower Pyrford Road, Pyrford in the summer of 1930.
Buried in Pyrford churchyard along with her mother and father. Passed away March 17 1938.
Death info:- March 1938 quarter, Surrey N.W., Volume 2a, Page 486. She was 73.
Don’t order certificate yet as I may be able to get more information first.
Lily Isabel
Baptised November 25 1866, daughter of Charles and Mary Ann, grocer.
Married April 28 1909 at above church to John Hall Watson, a widower aged 43. Described as ‘gentleman’ and from Pyrford also. His father was also called John Hall Watson, he being a Barrister-at-law. Charles Napper was described as Baker and Grocer.
Witnesses were Dendy Napper, Alfred Napper, M A Napper and Charles Napper.
Marriage info:- June 1909 quarter, Chertsey., Volume 2a, Page 111. Cerificate will not provide any further information than this though.
Alfred Charles
Baptised March 22 1868, daughter of Charles and Mary Ann, grocer. He was born February 26.
Alfred Charles Napper and Grace Napper were the two eligible voters residing at “Dordrecht”, Aviary Road, Pyrford in the summer of 1930.
Bessie Maud
Baptised May 9 1869, daughter of Charles and Mary Ann, grocer. She was born April 9.
Married June 25 1896 at above church to Frederick Charles Coates, a bachelor aged 24. Described as grocer and from Redhill, Surrey. His father was called Walter Coates, he being a coachman. Charles Napper was described as a Grocer.
Witnesses were Charles Napper, Mary Ann Napper, Edith Mary Napper Blanche Napper and Walter Coates.
Marriage info:- June 1896 quarter, Chertsey., Volume 2a, Page 91. Cerificate will not provide any further information than this though.
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Blanche
Baptised March 26 1871, daughter of Charles and Mary Ann, grocer. She was born March 3.
Emmeline Augusta Napper, Blanche Napper, George Napper and Florence May Napper were the four eligible voters residing at “The Laurels”, Lower Pyrford Road, Pyrford in the summer of 1930.
Edith Mary
Baptised October 13 1872, daughter of Charles and Mary Ann, grocer. She was born August 22.
Death info:- June 1948 quarter, Surrey N.W., Volume 5g, Page 550. She was 75.
Don’t order certificate yet as I may be able to get more information first.
Florence May
Note its May and not Mary.
Baptised August 27 1876, daughter of Charles and Mary Anne, grocer. She was born July 30.
Emmeline Augusta Napper, Blanche Napper, George Napper and Florence May Napper were the four eligible voters residing at “The Laurels”, Lower Pyrford Road, Pyrford in the summer of 1930.
Buried in Pyrford churchyard along with her sister Grace, she falling asleep on May 8 1937.
Death info:- June 1937 quarter, Islington., Volume 1b, Page 227. She was 61. Note that Islington is in London, so seems a little odd.
Herbert Dendy
Baptised October 3 1875, daughter of Charles and Mary Ann, grocer. He was born August 19.
George
BaptisedDecember 19 1880, daughter of Charles and Mary Ann, grocer. He was born October 24.
Emmeline Augusta Napper, Blanche Napper, George Napper and Florence May Napper were the four eligible voters residing at “The Laurels”, Lower Pyrford Road, Pyrford in the summer of 1930.
Alice Ethel
Baptised February 2 1884, daughter of Charles and Mary Anne, grocer. He was born December 21 1883.
All these people lived in Pyrford were christened in the Pyrford church. (St. Nicholas)
Dendy Napper, baker 86 High St. Sutton
Death info:- September 1949 quarter, Croydon, Volume 5g, Page 64. He was 63.
I can’t get death details on this one. But you can order certificate online.
Note that Charles had a brother Dendy, so may be this is a cousin?
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Thank you Ray. I wanted you to know how grateful I am for all the info. you got on this family. And thank you for the great pictures too. bparker
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Hi
Here is some more info on your Napper family
The 1939 Register of Electors brings this information up:-
“Dordrecht”, Aviary Road, Pyrford
Alfred Charles Napper and Grace Ellen Napper
“Pine Cone”, Aviary Road, Pyrford
Herbert Dandy Napper, Edith Mary Napper, Blanche Napper and Lily Isabel Watson
Not sure if you have the 1851 census info on the family but here goes
John Napper – head – aged 47
Ann Napper – wife – aged 41
Frederick Napper – son – aged 21
Edwin Napper – son – aged 18
Emily Napper – daughter – aged 17
Mary Ann Napper – daughter – aged 14
Charles Napper – son – aged 9
Frank Napper – son – aged 6
Dendy Napper –son – aged 2 who was baptised Pyrford May 14 1848, John Napper being described as farmer
Ray
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Thank you for the Register and the 51 census I didn't have that. Now I can track this family of Napper's from 1861-1901 and get a feel for their way of life. bparker
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Hello bparker - I am also researching the Napper family from Pyrford. My great grandmother was Blanche Napper - who was the youngest (I think) child of John Napper, b 1804 Warnham, Sussex and Napper, born 1810, Shere, Surrey. Looks like they had 8 children in total.
Just wondered if you had managed to go any further back than this in your searches?
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Hi Sas, Great to hear from you. Glad to add Blanche to the family. I have the Pyrford Church records . On it there is John and Anne Napper, farmer, son Dendy Napper born May 14 1848. And Blanch Napper born Oct 12 1851. I had put a note beside Blanch wondering if she was part of John's family. There is also a Bertha Napper born Oct 21 1858 in Pyrford daugther of Frederick and Elizabeth Anne Greenwood of Brighton, Sussex, occ. Baker I figured this Frederick was also the son of John and Anne. Do you have any pictures of the Napper's? Were they all in the baker, grocery business?I have one picture of Charles Napper and his son's. Haven't managed to go any further back than what is posted here.
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Sorry - can't be of much more help here. I only discovered yesterday that our Nappers were one and the same through the 1841 and 1851 Census info which Joe managed to find for me:
1851 Census - Pyrford (Indexed as Nopper)
HO107/1593/Folio 358
1841-Cencus Ockley(Indexed as Happer)
HO107/1081/2-20-7
See posts on John Napper born 1804 Warnham.
I also learnt yesterday, through a very kind gentleman at Chichester Library, that John Napper's father was Dendy Napper - 1778 - 1820. His father was a Matthew Napper (died 1801), who was the son of a Henry Napper of Cranleigh. I have some info on Dendy Napper - if you are interested let me know. He was a bit of a wild card apparently and spent most of his inheritance....!
I will ask my father if he has a photo of Blanche I can send.
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Thanks for the info. on John. If you do send for the birth cert. for Blanche please let me know what you find out. My main interest in the Napper family is Charles and his wife Mary Ann (Parker) Napper and their children. The Daws family married into the Napper family when Louisa Daws married Edwin Napper, Charles's brother. The Daws family also married into the Parker family when Louisa's sister Ellen Daws married Thomas B. Parker.
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Sas, On rootsweb.com /~engsurry England Surrey wills index I found the will of George Barrett 1774 listing his daughter Mrs. Ann Napper and son-in-law John Napper. There are other Napper names that were party to( neighbors and witnesses) other peoples wills in Surrey and Sussex: John Napper 1833 in Surrey, Matthew Napper 1658 in Sussex, Richard Napper Jr. 1661/2 or Rudgewick and Richard Napper in 1658. I bring this to your attention to google Surrey and Sussex will index . You may find a gem or at the very least a name or two that could help you.
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That's great - thanks so much - will do that. Still looking out that photo for you - Dad thinks he has one small portrait of Blanche and will forward on soonest.
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Hi Pb
i went to pyrford yesterday and took a photo of Charles & Mary Ann Nappers grave....want a pic of it???
also took a pic of the church and the post office/bakery where Charles' brother edwin was baker/grocer & postmaster
fudge
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Have just joined Roots web and am having difficulty navigating. I too am related to the Nappers of Pyrford
Charles Nappers grandfather was Dendy Napper and his brother John Laker Napper was my3 x great grandfather.
So we must be related
Jane
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Hi Jane welcome to rootsweb. Seems the Napper's were pretty well know in Surrey and Sussex. I live in the U.S. I have had, as you can see by reading the posts, met and got help from a lot of good people in England. I wish you luck with John Laker Napper relatives. I sure would like to find some living relatives of Charles Napper and Mary Ann Parker Napper.
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Thanks for your reply
I have been researching the Nappers for over 20 years both direct lines and sideways. Last year I went to Pyrford and photographed all the graves etc.
I was particularly interested in the comments posted in a reply to your postings about "the infamous" Dendy Napper and would like to get in touch with that person . Is it you who has a photograph of Charles Napper and sons?
Have you got Charles' ancestors
Do the Daws come into your line as I have a photograph of the tombstone of Mary Ann Daws 1866 from Pyrford?
Jane
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Jane, I sent you a private message,but forgot to tell you the person with the Dendy info. Let me look in my records. when you email me. I will give it to you then.
Linda
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Hello
As a new devotee of Roots web I have found your posting about the Nappers. I too have these Nappers as my ancestors as I come from John Laker napper the brother of Dendy and Henry F .
Would you be willing to share your pictures with me
I have made contact with Bparker
Many thanks
Jane
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Jane I sent a message to the lady with the Dendy info. I hope the pictures of Charles's family attach here.
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Hi everyone,
I realise this posting may have closed but I've just discovered it. I'm researching the Napper family on behalf of a friend, and the above information will be most helpful. Thank you everyone, for sharing it so kindly :)
I am reseaching the line where Frank Napper (1845-) married Emily White (1842-1909). Their daughter Florence immigrated to Australia with her husband Percy Tullett in around 1915.
Also the line of Cedric C Napper born 1899, son of Percy JF Napper and Nellie.
Would anyone be interested any sharing any photos with me?
Kind regards,
Christine
Bathurst, NSW, Australia.
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:)
Further to my earlier message, now it's been transferred to the current Board, the photos have appeared!
What wonderful photos - certainly a real treasure to have.
Kind regards,
Christine
Bathurst
Australia
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Hi Sasafras,
I'm interested in this connection with the Napper's of Warnham, the names you mention Dendy, Mathew and John are all my ancestors too! I've never met anyone else who is interested in this stuff, so keen to know what else you know about them from your trip to Chichester.....
I have been down there recently and alot of the farms and properties held by John and John Laker Napper still exist, i can post photos if you are interested.....
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Christine of Bathurst said
"Also the line of Cedric C Napper born 1899, son of Percy JF Napper and Nellie."
If you're still watching this Christine, Cedric was my uncle and I know the whereabouts of most of the living descendents of Percy JF and Nellie. Nellie died in the childbirth of my father.
The living descendents are in Australia (12 or so of us), UK (1 person) and in South Africa.
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Sorry for the delay in replying. As I mentioned earlier, this isn't my family - I'm researching on behalf of a friend and have had to leave it for a while.
Do you have your tree available anywhere for public viewing? Mine is on Ancestry.co.uk but currently on private view. If you have access to Ancestry send me an email and I'll send you permission to view if you are interested. It is called "McLeod Tullett May 2010".
Cheers
Christine
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Don't know if this is any interest to you, an advert from 1906
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Thank you very much Mark
They are Frederick & Dendy Napper
I am delighted to have it
Jane
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No problem, that was from a 1906 handbook of Sutton, i have loads more books at home i'll see if i have any more adverts, also may have a picture of the shop.
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I am interested in any information re. Florence May Napper (1876-1937). I believe she may have lived in 1927 at 97 St Georges Road (now Drive) Pimlico London SW1. She was the informant (FM Napper) on the death certificate of writer & social reformer Thomas D Hamilton Garside (died 21 Oct 1927 Chelsea). I would like to know how she knew him, whether she married, her occupation, etc. and whether there are any photos of them/her.