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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: tempogold on Tuesday 23 June 15 08:10 BST (UK)
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John Minchin Whitaker was born abt 1852 in Co Dublin. Becomes a Dr and Dies in June 1935 IN Liverpool. I do not know who his parents are and would like to find out . He marries Twice . Once in Dublin--I assume to Catherine Anne Noad. I say assume because if you Google Devoice of Dr John Minchin Whitaker there is an interesting comment but papers are not searchable as I understand it. He does indeed marry again to Ada Constance Finlay in Sussex in 1894 and I can follow his tree from that point. They return to Dublin and are on the 1901 census with their family and his sister Sarah age 51.
But who are their parents. Would welcome any help.
many thanks.
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Who does he name as his father on the Marriage Certificate?
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http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=Minchin&s=dublinstones
MIGHT be worth noting??
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Both marriage certificate should list father's name and occupation. By 1911 the family is in England and a free census search shows John born Dublin City and son John born Kingston, Co. Dublin which fits with this divorce mention-
Private Act (Not Printed), 57 & 58 Victoria I, c. 1 - ref. HL/PO/PB/1/1894/57&58V1n95 - date: 1894
> [from Scope and Content] An Act to dissolve the Marriage of John Minchin Whitaker of Cove HouseSandycove Kingstown in the County of Dublin Surgeon with Catherine Anne Whitaker his now Wife and to enable him to Marry again and for other purposes. (Whitaker's Divorce.)
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DUNDAS/2004-09/1095532665
Added- this is perhaps what you meant by "if you Google Devoice of Dr John Minchin Whitaker"
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Mother Amelia, a widow, died 21 Mar.1898 age 80-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00266.pdf
The 1901 census shows a daughter Eileen Amelia who was likely named after John's mother- she was born not long after grandmother's death-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBJ2-3MF
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Northbrook_Road/1293535
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Is this his first marriage?
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9dd0970555679
Amy
added: for ordering cert the marriage was registered in Dublin North 1875 vol 2 p 511.
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Marriage of John Minchin Whitaker, gentleman, son of John Minchin Whitaker, to Catherine Kelly in 1875- witness possibly an F? Whitaker?
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9dd0970555679
John Minchin Whitaker & C.A. Whitaker witnesses at this marriage:
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4113f10541638
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The records of the Private Act of Parliament will be held by Parliament Archives.
They can probably copy them for you?
see: http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/parliamentary-archives/archives-practical/enquiry-services/
There is some advice:
If you are looking for a Private Act, for instance an Act that concerned a divorce, naturalisation or an estate, then it is unlikely to have been printed and you may need to consult the Original Act in the form of a parchment roll here at Westminster or order a copy from us - we will be the only place you can find it. Please note that copying of original act vellums is restricted as per our reprographic guidance.
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Thanks everyone but I have to admit I am confused as to how many marriages we have . The will of his mother is useful and we know he is back in Ireland after marrying Ada Finlay so that fits.
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John Minchin Whitaker, son of Benjamin, married 1848 Amelia McFarlane-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGF4-154
Added- there was no Will of his mother Amelia "Administration of the estate of Amelia Whitaker..."
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The divorce details were published in at least one English newspaper- just started reading (it's a long article) but looks quite juicy :)
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Sounds interesting . Have been looking at Benjamin Whittaker and there is one b 1802 Cashel who was with 84 Foot Soliders and was pensioned out on 17 March 1827 ---may not be mine as Whittaker is proving a more popular name than I would have expected .
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Great reading ;D
Second reading of Bill applying for annulment of marriage-
Married 4 Feb.1875 Dublin; "continued to live together until the 21st of September, 1893. On that day his wife left his house, and went to London, and subsequently he discovered that she, in company, with one James Magee Berry, of Marlborough-road, Dublin, sailed from Southampton on the 28th of September, on the Norman Castle for Capetown, and while on board, as the Bill stated, she carried on an adulterous intercourse with Berry."
Nov.1893 commenced an action "against Berry for criminal conversation with his wife" damaged assessed by jury at £1,500 (Berry did not appear)
divorce granted Feb.1894 (Dublin)
Article appeared in 2 London papers (The Morning Post and The Standard) on 9 May 1894.
Now, googling 'james magee berry'-
"...brother James Magee Berry (dates unknown). According to family archives, James is said to have moved to South Africa. The only reference I have found of James is in a Newspaper dated 1895, regards the selling of property, in Ireland, with my great great great grandmother." see here (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH/2013-09/1378244119)
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How Sad but it would make a great family history programme.
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Now, googling 'james magee berry'-
"...brother James Magee Berry (dates unknown). According to family archives, James is said to have moved to South Africa. The only reference I have found of James is in a Newspaper dated 1895, regards the selling of property, in Ireland, with my great great great grandmother."
New Zealand Tablet, 5 July 1895 (courtesy of Papers Past): Leitri.- At a recent meeting of Mohill Guardians eviction notices of the following were given: Eliza Douglas, and James Magee Berry, County Cavan, served notice of the eviction of Mary Walsh from the lands of Coranagh, Carrigallen East.
There's actually a thread about this Berry family here on Rootschat-
Parents of James Magee Berry- 1/ JAMES BERRY, died Sandford, resides Sandville, 64 acres Co Cavan, 184 Co Longford. Married Killeshandra, MARGARET, youngest daughter of Charles MAGEE of Tully. They separated.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=486630.0
Family tree also here but not recent enough to include James Magee Berry-
http://berrydna.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/went-to-america.html
Think this James Berry (died 18 Jan.1884) could be J.M.B.'s father-
http://berrydna.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/went-to-america.html
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You really could not make this up. Just amazing. Thank You .
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Some more detail from Kerry Weekly Reporter:
DUBLIN CRIM. CON,CASE
HEAVY DAMAGES _AWARDED.
On Saturday Master Courtney and a jury of 6 sat to access damages in tho case of Wnittnker v. Berry, which was an action to recover £3,000 damages for crim con. Mr. Samuela (instructed by Messrs Horan and Short) appeared for the plaintiff. There was no appearance for the defendant, judgment, having been allowed to go by default.
Mr. Samuels, in opening the case said actions of such a nature as this were as rare in Ireland as they were pitiful.
The plaintiff Dr Whittakcr, was managing partner in the firm of Fannin & Co. Grafton Street, and lived with his wife at Sandycove until September 21st last, when she eloped with the defendant, and it would be proved that they traveled together in the Norman Castle to Cape Town, where they were at present residing. The defendant, Mr Berry, apparently occupied a position of respectability, and lived in a house on Marlborough road, and they had ascertained that he had house property at Killeshandra. On February 2nd the plaintiff had obtained a divorce in Judge Warren's court.Dr. Whittaker deposed he was licentiate of the College of Physicians and of the College of Surgeons, Edinburgh.On February 4th 1875, he was married to his wife, Catherine Kelly. He was in his twenty-second year, and his wife was some years younger. At first he lived in Amiens street, afterwards in Marlborough road, and eight years ago they went to live at Sandymount.They had had no children. In the beginning of 1893 his wife absented herself from his house for five consecutive nights. In consequence of what she said he made inquiries at her mother's house and found she had not been there, He consulted his solicitor as to a separation, but after an interview with his wife and her mother he forgave her. On the evening of September 20th his wife came in about half past 11 o'clock, just as he was being called out to a sick call. On September 21 he left his wife in the house when he went out for a swim he never saw her afterwords. About a year and a half ago he was with his wife at a dance in a friends house ; he remembered the defendant being there. He was at a flower show in November 1891 and saw his wife and defendant together. He asked his wife where she had been all the night and she replied " In the tea-room with Mr. Berry." Don't you recollect him ? "' Mr. Berry appeared to have a good social position, and held for some time an appointment in the Co-Operative Stores, D'Olier street.
To the Master—Had always been on fairly good terms with his wife, At the time she went away they were on friendly terms.
Alfred J Boyle, steward, and Margaret Scott, stewardess, of the Norham Castle proved that on the voyage from Southampton to Capetown to which the Norham Castle sailed on September 23rd, and which lasted seventeen days, Mrs Whittaker and Mr. Berry traveled together as Mr. and Mrs. Berry.
Mr. Joseph Short, solicitor, deposed he hod made inquiries to ascertain the means of the defendant James Magee Berry, and found he was entitled to "some house premises in Killeshandra"
The Jury awarded £1,500 damages
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Cant figure how to link to this PDF file but called
WESTERN AUSTRALIA. - State Law Publisher.
THE PARTNERSHIP ACT.
NOTICE is hereby given that the partnership hereto fore existing between James Magee Berry and the undersigned, Edwin Patrick McMahon, in the business of farmers, at Middington, was dissolved by mutual consent on the 5th day of October, 1911.
Dated this 6th day of October, 1911.
Dated the 12th day of October, 1911.
(Sgd.) EDWIN PATRICK McMAHON Writness: J. P. Maxwell, Solicitor, Perth.
Australia, Electoral Rolls between 1910 to 1914 have a James Magee Berry and wife Catherine Magee Berry, occupation Agriculturist, living at Canning, Fremantle, Perth. I wonder if that's them ?
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Great finds, hasta. Certainly possible that they moved on from South Africa to Australia.
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Treelawn showed the first marriage to a Catherine KELLY.
Here are John & Catherine as witness' at a marriage of another Kelly !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4113f10541638
Tara
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Sorry Aghadowey
I missed that you already posted this !
Tara
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John applying for a patent in 1890 !
Tara
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I am amazed at what you have all uncovered.
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I wonder if this would be worth the punt ?
Name: Cath Magee Kelly Berry
Birth Year: abt 1859
Age: 73
Death Place: Richmond, Victoria
Father's name: Jno Berry
Mother's name: Mary Vance
Registration Year: 1932
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 7329
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John Minchin Whitaker address'
1879 72 Bushfield Avenue, Donnybrook ESQ
1880 72 Bushfield Avenue, Donnybrook ESQ
1884 101 Marlborough Road, Donnybrook
1885 101 Marlborough Road, Donnybrook
1887 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1888 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1889 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1890 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1891 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1892 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1893 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1894 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1895 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1896 Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1898 Grafton Street & Cove House, Sandycove Avenue, Kingstown
1899 Merrion Road, Dublin
1900 22 Northbrook Road, Rathmines
NOTE the first two say ESQ so I presume that this is John Senior as all the later address' have medical initials after the name so must be for John Junior.
Tara
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This says Cove House, Sandycove Avenue on Google Maps ~ looks like it was altered though !
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fj7/
Tara
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Amelia's death just in case it hasn't been posted !
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTDV-GMW
Tara
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Must have been a fantastic house .
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Court details of case that also includes Dr John Minchin Whitaker (https://archive.org/stream/b19974760M0849/b19974760M0849_djvu.txt)
Refers to he being "licentiate of the Royal Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons of Edinburgh since July, 1880"