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Hi All,
I've recently been transcribing from source a substantial part of a passenger list from 1910 for the RootsChat DBSIG British Home Children.
The Empress of Ireland docked in St John's, New Brunswick on the 15th of April 1910 to disembark, amongst the other travellers and emigrants, a party of 96 boys bound for "MR Fegan's Boys Home" in Toronto.
The chances of that party of under one hundred individuals containing two pairs of brothers with identical names (but differing ages) is small, if not infinitesimal. Somehow Messrs Edward and William Lush have been recorded twice by the Purser. It might be by chance but I strongly suspect a sharp kick from the Devil's cloven hoof here. ;D ;D The brothers are recorded together on the first page and separately later on, with one as the very last name in the list.
Their 105 year old prank has at least cemented their place in history as they appear twice in the Library and Archive Canada listings too. I wonder what became of them and whether they got up to more mischief later in life.
alanmack
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Hi All,
I've recently been transcribing from source a substantial part of a passenger list from 1910 for the RootsChat DBSIG British Home Children.
The Empress of Ireland docked in St John's, New Brunswick on the 15th of April 1910 to disembark, amongst the other travellers and emigrants, a party of 96 boys bound for "MR Fegan's Boys Home" in Toronto.
The chances of that party of under one hundred individuals containing two pairs of brothers with identical names (but differing ages) is small, if not infinitesimal. Somehow Messrs Edward and William Lush have been recorded twice by the Purser. It might be by chance but I strongly suspect a sharp kick from the Devil's cloven hoof here. ;D ;D The brothers are recorded together on the first page and separately later on, with one as the very last name in the list.
Their 105 year old prank has at least cemented their place in history as they appear twice in the Library and Archive Canada listings too. I wonder what became of them and whether they got up to more mischief later in life.
alanmack
They'd be the ones at both ends of one of those long panoramic school photos, wouldn't they, Alan! ;)
Hope their lives in Canada were good - because of course it wasn't always easy for the boys in these transports. One remote rellie of mine enlisted in the army at a very young age for WW1 reportedly on the basis of escaping from the hard 'family' he lived with.
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Hi IgorStrav,
They'd be the ones at both ends of one of those long panoramic school photos, wouldn't they.
My thought exactly. ;D
One remote rellie of mine enlisted in the army at a very young age for WW1 reportedly on the basis of escaping from the hard 'family' he lived with.
One of mine was indentured to a German family in Ontario and was only able to join the Canadian Navy after his "time" was up. I also believe he was not well treated at all, maybe even physically maltreated.
That's why I have not put the name of the people he was sent to on the database even though it is known.
alanmack
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A book" Angels from the Meadow" by James Stanhope Brown is an account of the transporting of young boys from Manchester`s notorious "Angel Meadow" area. ( Where you could get mugged by nuns and Police dogs would only go in threes).
The boys were rescued from the streets and placed in various homes/orphanages and then sent to Canada.What they thought about that is not recorded. Some did well but others had hard lives and were really kept almost like slaves.
One of the ships was the Cephalonia. .Viktoria.
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Wonder too if they kept them guessing later on as well. ::) ::)
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A book" Angels from the Meadow" by James Stanhope Brown is an account of the transporting of young boys from Manchester`s notorious "Angel Meadow" area. ( Where you could get mugged by nuns and Police dogs would only go in threes).
The boys were rescued from the streets and placed in various homes/orphanages and then sent to Canada.What they thought about that is not recorded. Some did well but others had hard lives and were really kept almost like slaves.
One of the ships was the Cephalonia. .Viktoria.
Would be very interesting to read that book Viktoria.
Thanks,
Karen
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Rootschat does have a database for British Home Children, I wonder if any of those boys are in it Viktoria.
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_num=1
K
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A nudge for this, because these children ( male & female !!!) should never be forgotten. Some were so harshly treated , that they didn't survive to adulthood
There must be many FH researchers who don't find a missing ancestor, simply because they don't
know to look in the BHC register for them.
So if you have a child that disappeared, particularly between census, with no death record in Gt. Britain, just check the database.
Easy to do on here now, and you may find them
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Their 105 year old prank has at least cemented their place in history as they appear twice in the Library and Archive Canada listings too. I wonder what became of them and whether they got up to more mischief later in life.
alanmack
If they got into that sort of mischief at that age, I have no doubt that they would have continued later on, if only to annoy the authorities.
AC
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There's an Edward Lush on the 1911 Census of Canada for Hope, Durham, Ontario.
He's 14, born October 1896 in England, a servant, and shown as arriving in Canada in 1910. He's with the Gilmer family, on a farm - they have two young children.
Just about to have a look for his brother in the hopes that they may have been not too far apart....
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William is with the Gilmore family, in Clarke, Durham, Ontario in the 1910 Census of Canada.
He's 15, born in England in July 1895, and is again a farm servant.
Looking back at Edward's census entry, the two of them are in District 64, with Clarke being sub-district 17 and Hope sub-district 31. I should think this would mean that they weren't too far apart (can't quite sort it out on Google maps), although even a few miles apart might be hard without transport.
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I see that I have a Gilmore and a Gilmer family.......
looking a bit closer
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Yes, William and Charles' employers are related.
William is with the widowed Jane Gilmore and her son Herbert, and her elder son Stanley is a little distance away with Charles.
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Not having much joy pinning down both boys ahead of their emigration, or indeed after the 1910.
Alanmack, did you notice on the purser's original list that William is first shown as aged 14, and then - when he appears right at the end of the list - as 11 1/2? Edward is 13 both times. ;)
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Hi IgorStrav,
Thank you for all those details which I've noted. As "Stars" of the database I might make an exception of them and add the information to their records myself. Unless you'd like to add it yourself and earn a credit :D?
It's very easy with Berlin-Bob's system. Having found the individual on the database you add your information to the Reader's Comments box and click the Save Record button below. The originator will then edit this into the Notes or extract details into the fields above. As I transcribed these two records I am the originator. In the case of the older entries from the 'Original Database', the data co-ordinators are the Originators who will do the editing. That's KarenM or me, alanmack and if your information is substantial it is best PM'd to one or other of us.
I hope I have made this clear and not muddied the waters.
alanmack
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Hi IgorStrav,
Thank you for all those details which I've noted. As "Stars" of the database I might make an exception of them and add the information to their records myself. Unless you'd like to add it yourself and earn a credit :D?
alanmack
Please do add the details to the database.
And thank you for the explanation how to do this for the future, if any! ;D