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I am researching Robert Coultas/Coltas and his wife, Jane Vickerman. Robert supposedly born 1752 and died in Thwing on 27 Dec 1820. Jane Vickerman ch 1 Dec, 1755 father listed as J. Vickerman.
She possibly died in April, 1840 in Driffield, York. They possibly married on 23 Nov, 1778 in Yorkshire. I found one child's christening that I believe is a son: Vickerman Coltas ch 24 Jan 1796, Thwing, York. I would like any additional info that the members may have knowledge of for this couple.
Thanks, bjh1225
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There's a marriage for a Vickerman Coultas of Thwing to Mary Gray at Burton Fleming 22/10/1821. He's a bachelor & butcher, she's a spinster. Both sign, witnesses John Gray and looks like James Cape (he signs them all, parish clerk maybe?).
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Marriage for a Jane Vickerman to Robert COWTAS 23/11/1778 at St Mary Bridlington. Robert was from Burton Agnes parish. Witnesses Thomas Vickerman and James Hutchinson.
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Thank you so very much for the marriage record of Vickerman Coultas. I have not proved he was the son of Robert Coultas and Jane Vickerman but it is surely most likely.
Regards, bjh1225
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Miriam, thank you for verifying the marriage record for Robert Coultas and Jane Vickerman. I truly appreciate your finding and posting the data for me.
Regards, Bettye
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Bettye
According to the Thwing registers, Robert and Jane Coultas had several children baptised there: Vickerman, born 17, bpt. 24 Jan 1796; George, born 10, bpt. 13 Oct 1799; Richard bpt. 17 Feb 1811; Bessey, bpt. 28 Aug 1812. There's quite a gap between the first and last two, so maybe they moved away for a while.
I think that the Jane Vickerman bpt in 1755 married Martin Lovish of the parish of Wold Newton in 1774 at Thwing. She would have been 19, which is confirmed by the marriage licence. They lived at Fordon (actually in the nearby parish of Hunmanby, though they baptised children at Thwing). She died there in 1800, aged 45. So I think you're looking for another Jane Vickerman.
I have a connection to the Vickermans of Thwing, as the sister of my 6x great grandmother Ann Bennison was married to Robert Vickerman in 1723. Unfortunately, I haven't researched the Vickermans themselves - too busy researching backwards!
All the best
Joyce
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Bettye
A postscript to my original message. My copy of the Thwing parish registers only goes up to 1812, so I had a look online for later Coultas records. I think I was wrong in assuming the last two children, Richard and Bessey, were your Robert and Jane's. Further children were born to Robert and Jane Coultas: Mary and Ruth (1814), Robert (1817) and Tamar 1822 - in the same time period as Vickerman Coultas's children were being baptised. I suggest this Robert could be Vickerman's brother or cousin. Robert is described as a labourer.
Anyway, you believe your RC was died in 1820. Plus, if the Bridlington marriage is the right one, that would be a 40-year child-bearing period! Clearly I wasn't thinking straight.
I note there is a marriage between an RC of Burton Fleming and a Jane Putsey on 11 Nov 1809 in Ganton. I haven't found Jane's baptism in Ganton. (One was baptised in 1775 in Thorpe Bassett, father John). But I know from my own family research that there were connections between many families in, for example, the neighbouring parishes of Ganton, Willerby, Hunmanby, Thwing and Langtoft, and they moved around. It may be significant that that two children born to Stephen and Elizabeth Putsey (he was a tailor) in Ganton were called Ruth and Tamar.
You might want to check the parish registers of Wintringham for Coultas records.
All the best
Joyce
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Joyce, thank you for your knowledge of a Jane Vickerman. I have eliminated the one that was christened in 1755 as the one that was the wife of Robert Coultas. Actually seeking confirmation that James Coultas (b 1787-1791) was the son of Robert Coultas and wife, Jane.
On the 1851 & 1861 censuses for Lincolnshire he stated he was born in North Burton.
Regards, Bettye
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Bettye
I don't know whether you have access to the actual pages for North Burton / Burton Fleming, in which case, apologies for this. When James was baptised on 19 August 1787, the father's surname was given as Cowton. There is also another Cowton child, a Couton and two children of Robert Cowtass between 1779 and 1792. None of this helped by the omission of the mother's name.
All, the best
Joyce
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Joyce, I have found the surname of Coultas spelled several different ways. I have a George Coltas, bpt 13 Oct, 1799 in Thwing who was a son of a Robert C and no mother listed. Freereg.org has James Coulks listed for James Coultas marriage to Mary Trolley in 1815 in Lincolnshire.
With Robert C and Jane Vickerman marrying in 1778 that would leave an 18 yr span with no children if Vickerman Coultas was their first born. I believe that the James Coultas of my research was their first child.
I live in California and the only access that I have to English records is what is available online.
Regards, Bettye
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Bettye
What I found yesterday in Burton Fleming records were Robert Cowtass, son of Robert, bpt. 1779; Ann Cowtass, bpt. 1782; Jane Couton, bpt. 1785; James Cowton, bpt. 1787; Richard Cowton, bpt. 1790; Isabella Cowton bpt. 1792. If the father is your Robert, that would suggest the family then moved to Thwing, where Vickerman and Richard were born. (I can't see a burial for the previous Richard).
I looked back to see if I could spot a marriage in Burton records which might clarify whether there were actually two families, but the quality of the records is very variable and I couldn't see anything. I did wonder whether the Robert who married at Brid in 1778 might have given his home parish simply as Burton. According to my reference book, banns were supposed to be called in both parishes from 1823, "but sometimes earlier." So it's quite possible that didn't happen and the vicar assumed it was Burton Agnes.
Just came across something, but perhaps you already know. It seems there is a will of Robert Coultas of Thwing, proved in April 1821. You can order it from the Borthwick Institute at York (http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/remote-services/copying/order-form/), pay for it online and they will send you a scan, which you need to download within a deadline. It's not expensive and they are very quick. There's no saying how helpful it will be, but it's worth a few dollars.
When I can - I'm going to be away - I'll have a look in the archives to see if there are any more clues.
All the best
Joyce
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I am new at this, and probably doing it wrong..
I believe Jane Vickerman (mother of Vickerman Coultas) is my 5th times Great Aunt. I am descended from her brother William... I also have a Robert Vickerman who married Easter Bennison as my 6th Great Grandparents, wondering if they are any relation to Joyce's Robert and Ann.
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Justinavic
A blast from the past!
Yes, Easter (or Esther) Bennison was my ancestor's sister. I did a huge amount of research on the family a few years ago, with good results. But then went off to research other lines.
Let me go over all my notes and I'll send you a PM. I'm not sure whether I have anything much on Esther herself, though she's a beneficiary in a will of 1730. I do have a CD of Thwing parish registers from 1739 to 1812, though.
Joyce
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that would be amazing! I am not sure about anything past Easter...
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I too have found Easter in my husbands family tree and would very much appreciate any info on her the Coultas family and also the Vickerman family
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As you see, I did some work on the Vickermans previously, but I don't think I can add to that. It's not as easy working forwards.
I've been working back from Esther Bennison (Vickerman)'s generation, so if you'd like an oversight of the Bennisons, I'd be happy to send an outline of my results in a PM.
However, my understanding of the board rules is that you'd need to have made three posts, or my PM won't go through.
Do let me know.
Joyce