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The census of England in 1891 would indicate that my great grandfather, George Dawson, was born in 1862 in Droylsden. I know the FreeBMD indexes don't show parents, just the year someone was born. When George married Emma Howarth on 1-23-1881, he was going by the name George Dawson Brown and listed his father as William Brown. My family heard the story that if changed his name to Brown, he stood to get an inheritance, but that fell apart for some reason and you will see in the 1891 census that he goes by Dawson again and his four boys and Emma also go by Dawson. She was also buried as Dawson. Someone has started a tree in ancestry.com that puts his parents as Issac Dawson (odd spelling of first name) and Eunice Hawthorne. I find no woman by that name except for a couple in the USA. I find one Issac Dawson but his wife goes by another name. Any suggestions as to how I can track down the actual names of George's parents? It seems like there could be something to the Eunice name as George named his only daughter Eunice (she was born by his second wife) and then my grandfather named his first daughter Eunice. But I don't really know. Thank you.
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Hi
According to his marriage certificate, George's father, William BROWN, was a collier.
There is this marriage which might be useful..
Marriage Register
St Mary, St Denys and St George ( Manchester Cathedral )
Manchester
Lancashire
10th November 1861
William BROWN 22 Bachelor Collier of Daniel Street Bradford Father = William BROWN Collier
Hannah ( or Ann ) DAWSON 19 Spinster of Daniel Street Bradford Father = Isaac DAWSON Butler
Both bride and groom made their marks
Witnesses were Mary TAYLOR who signed and William TAYLOR who made his mark
Cheers
Karenlee
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From www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
George DAWSON birth registered in 1861 Audenshaw mother's maiden name DAWSON
This would have been the correct area for Droylsden
Birth registered July-Aug-Sept 1861 so before the parents married.
Heather
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Freebmd shows the birth reg for George as Sept 1861 8d 391.
So it's possible that George was born just before William Brown and Hannah Dawson married in Nov 1861.
If this is correct his birth would have been registered as Dawson but he was probably raised with the surname Brown.
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George may have had a sister born March Qtr 1863 8d 404
Martha Hannah Brown mother's maiden name Dawson
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
http://www.freebmd.org.uk
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George Dawson
Christening 21 Dec 1862 Cathedral Manchester, Lancashire, England
Father's Name William Dawson
Mother's Name Hannah
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Thanks, karenlee, rolnora, heatherjulie.
Heatherjulie, with your last post it would indicate that George’s father used his wife’s maiden name, Dawson, when George was christened. Is that at all normal? Would he have done that to match up with the name that was on George birth certificate in which George has his mother’s maiden name, Dawson?
So, if I am following this all correctly:
1. George is born to Hannah (Ann) Dawson in September 1861 before she is married.
2. She marries William Brown in November 10, 1861.
3. George was christened on Dec 21, 1862 and his father’s name is now shown as being William Dawson.
4. George had a sister in 1863 and she had the last name of Brown.
No wonder I have been confused trying to follow George’s life on ancestry.com. It gets easier after the 1891 census which shows him living with wife Emma and four sons. His name is then shown as Dawson.
I would have to assume here that Hannah is marrying the actual father of George. If William Brown is not actually the father, I don’t think I would find out who was his father unless I found a letter somewhere.
To confuse matters a little more, looking at the 1871 England census results, when I put in William Brown with a year of birth around 1839 (based upon his age of 22 during marriage in 1861) with a spouse named Hannah, I don’t find a William and Hannah living with a child named George. So, perhaps Hannah and William married, but by 1871 she was not living with William. So I thought maybe she is living with her father, Isaac Dawson, in 1871 with her son George, but I am not finding her that way either. When I search on herself as head of household, I don’t find her with George.
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Karenlee...where are you finding the marriage certificate for William Brown and Hannah Dawson? I can find index of marriages, but not the actual certificate. Thanks.
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Emma Howarth
Spinster
Cotton Reeler
Address Market Street, Droylsden
Marriage Age 18
Marriage Date 23 Jan 1881
Church Wesleyan Methodist, Stamford Street, Ashton under Lyne
Father Name John Howarth
Collier
Spouse Name George Dawson Brown
Bachelor
Letter Press Printer
Address Market Street, Droylsden
Spouse Marriage Age 20
Spouse Father Name William Brown
Collier
Witness Joseph Mather
Mary Hannah Parry?
Family connection?
Joseph Mather married Mary Howarth in 1877 at Ashton under Lyne St Michael
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Have you got this baptism
Isaac Brown
Birth Date 7 Aug 1881
7 Sep 1881
Primitive Methodist Chapel Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Father's Name George Dawson Brown Letter press printer
Mother's Name Emma Brown
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Yes, heatherjulie, I found the marriage certificate online for George Dawson Brown and Emma Howarth, but I haven't found the one for William Brown and Hannah Dawson. Thanks.
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heatherjulie, that baptism is of my grandfather who we know as John Dawson. I see online that they originally referred to him as Isaac, but at some point they started calling him John. So, he goes from being Isaac Brown to being John Dawson! Family members in Maine where I lived called him by his nickname, Jack. These folks back in the 1800s would never know how "fooling around" with their names would amount to confusion and many hours on the parts of their descendants trying to make sense of it all.
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William Brown
Age22
Bachelor
Occupation collier
Address Daniel Street, Bradford
Marriage Date 10 Nov 1861 Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name William Brown
Occupation Carter
Spouse's Name Hannah Or Ann Dawson
Spouse's Age 19
Spinster
Address Daniel Street, Bradford
Spouse's Father's Name Isaac Dawson
Occupation Baker
Witness
Mary Taylor signed
William Taylor made his mark
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1861
Church Street, Droylsden
Isaac Dawson Head 44 Skilmanthorp, Yorkshire Baker
Martha Dawson Wife 29 born Huddersfield
Ann Dawson Daughter 18 born Droylsden Cotton Weaver
Mary H Dawson Daughter 6 born Droylsden
RG9/2989/62/27
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Isaac DAWSON married Martha DUTTON in 1859 Droylsden, St Mary
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1851
Ashton New Road Droylsden
Isacc Dawson Head 31 born Yorkshire Baker
Hannah Dawson Wife 36 born heaton Norris
Benjamin Dawson Son 15 born Heaton Norris
Betty Dawson Daughter 15 born Droylsden
Joseph Dawson son 11 born Droylsden
Ann Dawson Daughter 8 born Droylsden
Samuel Dawson Son 3 born Droylsden
Martha Dutton Lodger 19 born Yorkshire
Catharine Lutherland Lodger 20
James Hartly Lodger 19
107/2234/37/15
He married the lodger!
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1st marriage?
Isaac Dawson
Marriage Date 1833
Marriage Place Mottram In Longdendale,
Spouse Hannah Chappel
Some births
Betty DAWSON registered in 1839 Audenshaw mother's maiden name CHAPPELL
Joseph DAWSON registered in 1841 Audenshaw mother's maiden name CHAPPELL
Ann DAWSON registered in 1844 Audenshaw mother's maiden name CHAPPELL
Samuel DAWSON registered in 1849 Audenshaw mother's maiden name CHAPPEL
Hannah DAWSON registered in 1853 Audenshaw mother's maiden name CHAPPELL
What do you think?
Heather
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Death
Hannah Dawson aged 38 in 1853 Audenshaw. There is also a death for Hannah Dawson aged 0 in 1853 Audenshaw. Did she die in childbirth?
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Mary Dawson
Christening Date 26 May 1833
Stockport, Cheshire, England
Birthplace High Street
Father's Name Isaac Dawson
Mother's Name Hannah
Elizabeth Dawson
Christening 7 Jun 1835
St Mary, Stockport, Cheshire, England
Father's Name Isaac Dawson
Mother's Name Hannah
Benjn. Dawson
Christening 07 Feb 1837
St George, Hyde, Cheshire, England
Father's Name Isaac Dawson
Mother's Name Hannah
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This could be Isaac's baptism
Isaac Dawson son of John and Hannah Dawson of Skelmanthorpe baptised at Elmley Church West Yorkshire 26 December 1813. John a weaver
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Thanks, all. I have been out of town most of the day and will try to get this all set in my mind tomorrow.
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On Cheshire BMD it shows George Dawson being born in 1861 and his mother’s maiden name being Dawson. It says the Subdistrict is Audenshaw and that she Registers him at Tameside. George says he was born in Droylsden on census reports and ships’ manifests. Can you explain the relationship between Droylsden, Audenshaw, Tameside, Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire to me? I think England has at least one additional geographic division than I am used to. In Maine where I live we are first divided by counties and then towns. I think England has, districts, subdistricts , counties, and towns, but I get confused. So was George born in the town of Droylsden, in the subdistrict of Audenshaw, in the county of Lancashire? Where does Tameside and Ashton Under Lyne come in? I think I have seen things about George and Ashton Under Lyne as well. Thank you.
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Hi
I live in Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire which since 1974 has been in the Metropolitan Borough of Tameside.
http://www.tameside.gov.uk/
I was born in Denton but my parents had to register my birth in Audenshaw as that was the registration district at that time, as it was for Droylsden births.
Heather
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Thanks, Heather.
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Hello, My name is Evan, I am the Grandchild of Charles E Dawson (son of George Dawson). I have also been trying to find who the parents of George Dawson, but have hit a dead end. I live in Massachusetts US.
Sorry I don't have anything useful to add. Mostly wanted to say hello =-)
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Welcome to Rootschat Evan,
You could buy the birth record from the General Register Office(GRO)
DAWSON, GEORGE -
GRO Reference: 1861 September Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 391
As there is no mother's maiden name shown, the father's name will not be shown
A digital image costs £3
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On Cheshire BMD it shows George Dawson being born in 1861 and his mother’s maiden name being Dawson.
To avoid confusion. There is a difference between the display in a local BMD and in the GRO index. The Cheshire index does not mean his mother and father were both named Dawson. It is the mother's name repeated.
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Amazing. I’ll do that tonight. Thank you, both!