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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: GrannyPG on Sunday 31 May 15 04:47 BST (UK)
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Hi All
Can you please help my search for
Robert George Garner born 8 March 1891 NSW died Oct 1937 Randwick NSW
Married Muriel Auld I think 1937 Sydney NSW Muriel maiden name Tilson
I would be more then grateful for your help.
Granny
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What would you like to know GrannyPG :)
Birth, places, parents?
I have a Trove record of Roberts funeral in Darlinghurst NSW ( Trove is a free Australian newspaper site )
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17407636?
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Granny would like to know of Roberts parents. She believes his mothers name could be Clare and asks if Roberts parents were born in NSW
His sister is listed as next of kin in AIF rolls and her married name is Mrs A(lbert) Thompson of Hill End.
And given the short date between marriage and death was a child born in that time
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862/1891 GARNER Robert G
Mother Clara
Father -
At SYDNEY
Sue
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Possibly the birth of Clara
15070/1866 GARNER Clara
Parents Charles & Maria
At TAMBAROORA
This couple have about 9 listed births in NSW some in Tambaroora and Hill End and some in Sydney
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?0
Sue
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BIRTH
GARNER CLARA, FATHER CHARLES, MOTHER MARIA, AT TAMBAROORA NSW REF # 15070/1866
Neil
Red flag
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Sue, that one died in Jan 1892 age 11 mths & is buried at Rookwood Catholic Cemetery:
GARNER Robert G d. 1892 #51 SYDNEY
Father: -
Mother: Clara
Burial:
http://search.catholiccemeteries.org.au/default.aspx
http://www.heavenaddress.com/Robert-G-Garner/571694/
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The WW1 service history for Robert George GARNER lists his sister as Clara Alberta THOMPSON.
Sue
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I think this is going to be a complicated family.
Do you have any BDM certificates please?
NSW BDM marriage
19643/1937 GARNER Robert George m. AULD Muriel Randwick (22 Oct 1937)
death
23026/1937 GARNER Robert Randwick (27 Oct 1937)
parents George / Clara
My correction here........ to now be GARNER
Electoral Roll 1934
Robert George GARNER, Muriel GARNER, Robert William GARNER
Merewether St CARDIFF
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correction to 1894 marriage.......
WW1 Elias Edward McALLISTER #5932 also has NOK Clara Alberta THOMPSON
NSW BDM birth
3768 / 1897 McALLASTER Elias Edward Hill End
parents William E F and Hannah C
marriage
4145 / 1894 MACMASTER William E F m. GARNER Hannah C Hill End
death
10243 / 1963 Mc ALLISTER Elias Edward Wallsend
parents William Edward F and Hannah Clara
page 7 / 39 of his WW1 file has father Henry GARNER ( with "x")
mother deceased
guardian Glendora LAWSON
Signature of Glendora LAWSON, and Henry GARNER looks the same, so maybe "x" means she has signed for Henry.
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death
23026/1937 GARNER Robert Randwick (27 Oct 1937)
parents George / Clara
23026/1937 GARNER Robert George
Mother CLARA
Father-
At RANDWICK
It looks like the woman as NOK on the WW1 history was nee Clara Alberta CADMAN and married in 1918 to THOMPSON
EDIT. This is not the correct woman . It is a co-incidence of names.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1656464
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NSW BDM marriage
9995 / 1912 MACALLASTER Clara Alberta m. THOMPSON Albert E Hill End
births
5264 / 1913 THOMPSON Albert C ps. Albert E / Clara A Hill End
21331 / 1914 THOMPSON Rita M ps. Albert E / Clara A Hill End
marriage
6014 / 1932 THOMPSON Rita M m. AULD Robert Hill End
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A letter in the file from Robert GARNER asks for duplicates of his discharge papers.
His address is Lachlan Rd. Cardiff, Newcastle NSW
Sue
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Electoral Roll 1934
Robert George WARNER, Muriel WARNER, Robert William WARNER
Merewether St CARDIFF
The spelling of the surname is correct when I look at it. ;)
1934 NSW Electoral Roll
GARNER, Robert. Labourer
GARNER Muriel. HD
Merewether Street, Cardiff
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Yes, sorry GARNERs, not WARNERS. The name got into my head and.........once the mental software is scrambled it is difficult to change.
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Hi All
Can you please help my search for Robert George Garner born 8 March 1891 NSW died Oct 1937 Randwick NSW
His life details do not add up ::)
Born: 08/03/1891
Died: 09/01/1892
Buried: 12/01/1892
Then... :-X
AIF: 24/02/1915
Married: 22/10/1937
Died: 27/10/1937
Buried: 28/10/1937
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Hi All
Can you please help my search for
Robert George Garner born 8 March 1891 NSW died Oct 1937 Randwick NSW
Married Muriel Auld I think 1937 Sydney NSW Muriel maiden name Tilson
I would be more then grateful for your help.
Granny
It would be a help to hear from Granny as to how much of her searches are factual. Some of the details in the OP have a note of uncertainty about them.
Whether this Robert GARNER is definitely the one she is seeking, or one of the several others.
Sue
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The 1891 birth, and 1892 death for Robert G GARNER to Clara mother look like the one child....record to see at Benevolent Asylum.
Could be a coincidence of names with WW1 GARNER, but Asylum record might be useful to see.
And five days between marriage and death, 1937?...... and wife Muriel cannot name his parents?
Some certificates would be handy here.
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Robert Garner of Hill End admitted to hospital 1937
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/160569403
Sue
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Robert George MCALISTER (aka Garner) & his brother Elias Edward MCALISTER are both on the Hill End WW1 Honour Roll. There is also a photo of him & further information about the family that can found on the Hill End & Tambaroora Gathering Group website.
http://s24.postimg.org/qq6ronbrp/RGGMC.jpg
http://heatgg.org.au/he/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Hill-End-P.S.-WW1-Honour-Roll_iii_A.jpg
http://heatgg.org.au/he/databases/hill-end-ww1-honour-roll/
http://heatgg.org.au/he/publications/golden-diggers-in-preparation/
http://heatgg.org.au/he/databases/book-indexes-2/the-hill-end-story-book-3-index/
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Possibly the birth of Clara
15070/1866 GARNER Clara
Parents Charles & Maria
At TAMBAROORA
This couple have about 9 listed births in NSW some in Tambaroora and Hill End and some in Sydney
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?0
Sue
One of these births was Charles
16657/1868 GARNER Charles J
Parents Charles & Maria
At TAMBAROORA
This news item describes a case where Charles GARNER is accused of rape in Hill End
He is not charged, but the article gives some clues about the family including that his father is a miner and "a coloured man"
1893, SMH
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/156669786
Sue
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This reply may be repeating some information already given ::)
Muriel AULD was AULD by marriage, not birth.
She married
8929/1909
AULD William R
TILSON Muriel
At PETERSHAM
There were two sons before 1914
44528/1911 AULD Robert W
Parents William R & Muriel
At PETERSHAM
17443/1913 AULD John D
Parents William R & Muriel
At PETERSHAM
Who Died
80347/1973 AULD John D
Parents William Robert & Muriel
At NEWCASTLE
The son Robert William lived with Muriel and Robert George GARNER in 1935 at Cardiff and used the name GARNER. He also enlisted for ww2 under the name GARNER
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=A&VeteranId=415121.
By 1936 Rita Maud is with the family and she uses the name GARNER too, though when she married Robert used his birth name of AULD
6014/1932
AULD Robert W
THOMPSON Rita M
This birth ( as reminder from Wivenhoe, Reply #11).
Parents were Albert Edward and Clara Alberta
21331 / 1914 THOMPSON Rita M
Parents Albert E& Clara A
At Hill End
In 1943, Robert George GARNER is still registered to vote and is living with Robert WILLIAM GARNER and his wife Rita Maud GARNER at Byer Ave Hill End.
So it seems unlikely that the Robert GARNER death at Randwick in 1937 is the husband of Muriel
Though, of course ???
I am not certain, but Muriel’s husband William Robert , may have lived until 1970 in the Warringah district
Sue
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This seems to be the (puzzling ??? ???) death of Muriel nee TILSON.
(you will note the parents match those given on the birth, see above)
If she married GARNER in 1937, why is she under the name AULD
12331/1979 AULD Muriel
Parents John and Sarah Ann.
This name (Muriel AULD) does not appear on the electoral roll in NSW until 1954
1954
AULD, Muriel. 5 Winnie St. Cremorne
Same address is Robert AULD of no occ.
Neither appear again
Perhaps you would be kind enough to let us know, GrannyPG, if any of this information is of interest to you, as I do believe you are seeing the replies we have made.
Log in up the top and use the REPLY button at both top and bottom of your screen.
Your personal contribution may help clarify some very tangles points.
Sue
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GrannyPG....much good information here in response to your enquiry. Can you indicate if this advances your research?
NSW BDM death
12331 / 1979 LAWSON Muriel parents John / Sarah Ann
12331 / 1979 AULD Muriel parents John / Sarah Ann
See reply #9 for LAWSON
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hello i am michelle from mudgee australia my partner is a decendant from maria and charles garner they had about 14 kids in tambarrora and hill end nsw a lot passed as babies from the cold . there were only a few that lived had families my partner is from one named rose anna who married alfred maris but do know rose anne had a brother henry garner whom passed in rose cottage hill end he was with a lady gleenndora but not married she married lawson but did has 3-4 kids the henry then a few more to lawson then a few more to lawsons brother there was a charles as a son he was charged with assult then theres a sister to henry and rose ann and charles she was known as clara or hannah she had robert george in hill end father unknown then clara hannah married w e f mcallisterthey clara and william then had 2 kids clara aand ellis mcallister
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hello i am michelle from mudgee australia my partner is a decendant from maria and charles garner they had about 14 kids in tambarrora and hill end nsw a lot passed as babies from the cold . there were only a few that lived had families my partner is from one named rose anna who married alfred maris but do know rose anne had a brother henry garner whom passed in rose cottage hill end he was with a lady gleenndora but not married she married lawson but did has 3-4 kids the henry then a few more to lawson then a few more to lawsons brother there was a charles as a son he was charged with assult then theres a sister to henry and rose ann and charles she was known as clara or hannah she had robert george in hill end father unknown then clara hannah married w e f mcallisterthey clara and william then had 2 kids clara aand ellis mcallister
NSW BDM
GROOM. ALFRED MERRISS, BRIDE ROSE A GARNER, AT HILL END
Reference no 5929/1884
Neil
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and in hill end on some of the kids baptism papers they spelt garner as gaynon & gainer and maris as mayris
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and in hill end on some of the kids baptism papers they spelt garner as gaynon & gainer and maris as mayris
In the 1870s Hill End and Tambaroora were part of the Wellington Police District. The police helped compile the electoral rolls. The 1878 Electoral Roll for Wellington includes the following entries which may help
George GAIN, Dubbo, a freeholder at Tambaroora
William GARNER, Narroogal, a freeholder at Bell River
Patrick GAYNON, Tambaroora, a freeholder at Tambaroora
Alfred MARRIS, residence Golden Gully
John MARRIS, residence, Hillend
Cheers, JM
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NSW ER 1903 ROBERTSON, polling at Hill End
Charles GARNER, of Hill End, miner
Henry GARNER, of Hill End, miner
Maria GARNER, of Hill End, domestic duties
Alfred MARIS of Hill End, miner
Charles MARIS of Hill End, miner
Florence MARIS of Hill End, domestic duties
John MARIS of Hill End, miner
Rose Ann MARIS of Hill End, domestic duties
Cheers, JM
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New South Wales State Record Office INDEX for Register of Auriferous Leases
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-land-records/registers-of-auriferous-gold-leases-1874-1928
Alfred MARIS, several different Hill End Gold leases noted there.
Various GARNER, including Charles James, with Hill End Gold leases noted there too.
May I please acknowledge the fine contribution from my friends Kaye and Billie in the compiling of that particular index.
Cheers, JM