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My gggrandfather Abraham Gillot appears on the 1851 census in Heanor Derbyshire, but his wife Sarah is shown as a widow in 1861. I can find no record of a death in that period. There is a conviction for counterfeiting in March 1852 (he was a serial offender), but nothing else I can find.
Any ideas gratefully received.
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My gggrandfather Abraham Gillot appears on the 1851 census in Heanor Derbyshire, but his wife Sarah is shown as a widow in 1861.
No birthyear or birthplace given in your post and I can't find the 1851 entry you mention but there is one in Heanor for a John & Sarah Gillott
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The only 1861 with Sarah as a widow also has 4 children - Ann, Joseph, Mary & George. The 1851 for that family does not show Abraham in the household but does show Sarah as married
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Hi,
Just wondered if this was Abraham Gillott in 1851 Census Nottingham St. Mary
Piece 2133
Folio 9
Page No.10
He is listed as Abraham Chllott born 1820 Heanor, married. A prisioner in Nottingham St. Mary.
The name has been transcribed incorrectly, it does say Gillott. Immediately above him is a Joseph
transcribed as Elliott also born Heanor.
So where was his wife Sarah - more information required, her age, place of birth any known
children.
Spendlove
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On Ancestry I found this:
l Name: Abraham GILLOTT
l Sex: M
l Birth: 5 APR 1819 in Heanor, Derbyshire 1
l Baptism: 24 MAY 1825 St. Lawrence Church, Heanor, Derbyshire 1
l Occupation: Frame Work Knitter FROM 22 JUN 1851 TO 25 SEP 1870
He married Sarah nee Bullock in 1838 and they had 4 children. Sarah was born c1823
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Hi,
Yes the christening you found giving Father for Abraham as Samuel does match with the
Marriage in Duffield i.e.
Abraham Gillott = Sarah Bullock 3rd June 1838 which states at the time of Marriage they
were both resident in Belper Derbyshire, Bat. and Spinster both of full age. Occ Framework Knitter
Fathers - Samuel Gillott
Richard Bullock
However to save others lots of searching, can you state where Sarah was born, and where she
was living on the Census you have found.
Spendlove
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1861 census Tag Hill Heanor Class: RG 9; Piece: 2435; Folio: 70; Page: 13
Sarah Gillott 42 born Heanor widow, A Stocking Framework knitter
Ann Gillott 18 Lace finisher
Joseph Gillott 16 Coal Miner
Mary Gillott 13
George Gillott 9
all born Heanor
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Abraham's last entry in the criminal regisetrs was in 1855, Nottingham - 10 yrs for felony (charged with housebreaking). There's a death of an abraham Gillett registered in Saddleworth in Q4 1857 (Vol 9a, p165) if he did die before 1861, rather than Sarah just having enough and saying he was dead
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Have just fuond a newspaper article that suggests trhe man convicted in 1855 was transferred to Millbank prison, London shortly after his conviction.
Might he have been transported?
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Many thanks for all that information. I was obviously wrong placing him at home in Heanor in the 1851 census, maybe it was 1841. I did consider the possibility that he was transported as his record of 14 previous convictions would have made him a prime candidate. A relative in Australia couldn't find him in their lists and thought the 1850's was a bit late for transportation there.
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I have had a search through Trove and whilst there are plenty of Gillot's I cannot see an Abraham. Nor does anything come up in Papers Past NZ.
One can put in a request at this website - http://findmyhistory.net/transported-convicts/transported_convicts-30/ to see if he is listed in any newspaper.
There was an Abraham Gilliat born Lincs in 1820 who married a Sarah, but this looks like an entirely different family judging by the 1871 census.
There are also many variations in the name, such as Jillot. Since there were Gillot's in Aisne, France who were Protestants, could this be a Huguenot name?
Otherwise I can only see the deaths of Abraham Gillot in Wortley 1867, Saddleworth 1857 and Worksop 1895.
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My latest information when searching Millbank Prison records for 1855 puts him at Portland with Series number HO24.
Can anyone please throw further light upon this mystery?
Thanks.
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I have had a search through Trove and whilst there are plenty of Gillot's I cannot see an Abraham. Nor does anything come up in Papers Past NZ.
I hadn't heard of Papers Past NZ, but do have an ancestor who emigrated to NZ.
I have found his wedding write up in the local paper!
Thank you!
BugBear
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Hi Pacaine
Where have you accessed Milbank Prison Records?
The HO24 reference is a National Archive Reference, re various prison records they hold, however it is not possible to search for individual prisoners on their site you have to visit Kew and go through the records.
When Abraham was sentenced in 1855 he was given 10 years Penal Servitude, after the 1852 and 1857 acts, "Penal Servitude" replaced transportation. The following site explains:-
http://vcp.e2bn.org/justice/page11360-types-of-punishment-transportation-and-penal-servitude.html
If he had not died, he must have been a prisoner in 1861 Census.
Did you obtain the full details of the Newspaper article which suggest he was transferred to Millbank?
Just wondered if others were also transferred from Nottingham at the same time, is so it may be possible to find them in 1861 census.
Spendlove
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Hi,
Forgot to add that in many prisons 1861 the prisoners were recorded with just their initials.
To see the various results, enter A in Christian name G in Surname boxes
Enter "Prisoner" in Keyword Box
Gender -Select "Male"
Only possible I can find is :-
HG born 1819 Derby Derbyshire in Leicester St. Martin. When you look at the image he is
a frame work knitter.
Also you need to enter initials other way round i.e. G A, as you can not be sure that the first
initial is christian or surname.
There are pages so perhaps you will have more luck.
Spendlove
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Thank you Spendlove. I searched online at National Archives for the name and Millbank Prison and was directed to a Find My Past page where I found this:-
First name(s)Last name Birth year Year Place Series
Abraham Gillott 1820 1855 Portland HO24
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Hi,
When you get the information on Find my Past, you can see the actual document (click on camera image) however you have to purchase full membership or credits to be able to do this.
Sorry cannot assist as I do not have membership.
Portland Prison is in Dorset, and would indeed have been "Hard Labour".
Spendlove
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Thanks again. Nottingham to London and then to Dorset - they certainly moved him around quite a bit.
I also have no membership and therefore no access and live a long, long way from Kew:-(
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It appears that Abraham was one of 100 prisoners embarked on the 'Mermaid' on 25th June 1856 for 'public works in Gibraltar'. FindMyPast is playing up a bit at present so haven't been able to look at the actual records of all his entries, though there does appear to be one of him actually in Gibraltar aboard the 'Europa'.
Hope that helps
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I have just looked at another record from Gibraltar prison, register of prisoners which states that Abraham died in hospital on 19.09.1860.
Lesley
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Thank you Spendlove. I searched online at National Archives for the name and Millbank Prison and was directed to a Find My Past page where I found this:-
First name(s)Last name Birth year Year Place Series
Abraham Gillott 1820 1855 Portland HO24
The record is just a line on a register
Abraham Gillott age 35 Married, 4 children, Imp (read or write), Framework Knitter, convicted 7 march 1855, crime: housebreaking after pre con, sentence: ten years PS, received on 16 April 1855, from Nottingham prison, Eight times in prison, removed on 7 dec 1855 to Portland prison.
there are several other records which have already been referred to earlier and also one for an offence committed when he was 23 and sent to Derby prison
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That effectively solves the mystery - deported to Gibraltar and not Australia. So his wife was correct in describing herself as a widow on the 1861 census.
Very grateful for this information - thank you.