RootsChat.Com
Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: silverienz on Wednesday 27 May 15 00:25 BST (UK)
-
I'm wanting to know the birth place of the father, it says something, co lanark, any help appreciated as i'm not familiar with scotland.
TIA
-
Hi Silverienz,
Looks to me like Greenock, I may stand corrected though!
It is however in the County of Renfrewshire, not Lanarkshire.
Ray
-
I read it as Trewan, Co Lanark
Googling that brings up the name in Dumfries-shire, though. But it may have been in Lanarkshire at the time of the certificate.
There's sure to be a Scots person along to correct / confirm, soon. :) :)
Dawn M
-
It looks like Greenwell to me. There is a Greenwell in Carnwarth, Lanark. If you google it you should find a little more info on the place. I hope this helps.
-
Thanx for your answers, these are names I hadn't heard before, gives me somewhere new to look!
-
Hi
Do you know the names of the parents of Charles Henry Moore? If his age is accurate he was born c1862 and Familysearch.org has indexed Scottish Births 1855 to 1875 (including the names of both parents) from the Statutory Registers.
Andy
-
Hi
Do you know the names of the parents of Charles Henry Moore? If his age is accurate he was born c1862 and Familysearch.org has indexed Scottish Births 1855 to 1875 (including the names of both parents) from the Statutory Registers.
Andy
Hiya
I have posted about Charles Henry MOORE before but am yet to find his birth record. I have his death cert & he seems to be 10 years older (so born around 1852) & his parents are William Henry MOORE & Alice Mary MCKENZIE. However I am yet to find them anywhere! Maybe I am just looking in the wrong place.
-
Stumped!
It certainly looks like Trewan. (I cannot, no matter what mental gymnastics I try to perform, imagine that it looks anything even remotely like either Greenock or Greenwell.)
The only Trewan I can think of in Scotland is in Dumfries-shire, near Dalbeattie, which is right down south near the Solway, and quite a long way away from any part of the boundary with Lanarkshire, so if he was from Trewan he couldn't be from Lanarkshire, and if he was from Lanarkshire he couldn't be from (that) Trewan.
I see that there is a death of Charles Henry Moore, aged 82, in 1945. This gives a birth date of 1862/3. His age on Francis' birth certificate in 1893 is 31, which gives a birth year of 1861/2. This is after the start of civil registration in 1855, so unless Charles Henry was the best part of a decade older than he claims on Francis' birth certificate, there should be a birth certificate. But the IGI (which is pretty much complete from 1855 to 1874 for Scotland) doesn't list anyone even vaguely matching. So we could have a case of a change of name.
Does his death certificate (or burial record) say when he came to New Zealand? If it was after 1871, there is a chance that he might be in the 1871 and/or 1881 census.
-
Thanx. Charles died in 1939 aged 86. So this would mean he was born around 1853. His death cert says he was in nz for 63 years. So he came out around 1876.
-
Well, If you're sure that the 31-year-old Charles Henry who was the father of Francis in 1892 is the same person as the plain Charles who died in 1939 aged 86, then I suggest that you take a look at the 1871 census to see if you can find him there.
-
Frewrow ??? Most places were mining areas with a lot of "Rows"
Greenock is Renfrew (closeby) though so may have been named for the area?
Annie
-
Found this..........
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=frewrow%2C+coatbridge
Annie
-
Well, If you're sure that the 31-year-old Charles Henry who was the father of Francis in 1892 is the same person as the plain Charles who died in 1939 aged 86, then I suggest that you take a look at the 1871 census to see if you can find him there.
Yes i'm sure i have got the right death, as i have his grave picture & he is buried with his wife Rose Rebecca MOORE (Schwass).
-
How about Provan?
Or try skimming through this little lot. http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/place-names/Lanarkshire?class=county (http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/place-names/Lanarkshire?class=county)
-
Hi
There are multiple related topics (list on link below) that suggest that the place could be Troon (would sound similar to Trewan) and that he was born before Statutory Registration. There is also an indication that his father was a Mariner, as was Charles, which could explain difficulty in finding records
If Charles was born pre 1855 then there is no birth record, only a christening which wouldn't necessarily take place where he was born. The OPRs are the Parish Registers of the Church of Scotland, if he was another denomination then his christening may not be online, few are.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721719.msg5656023#msg5656023 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721719.msg5656023#msg5656023)
Andy
-
I just added to the other thread! My Scottish grandparents would certainly have pronounced it as Troon!
Troon is in Ayrshire now, but pretty sure it was once part of Larnarkshire.
Mariner as above would also be relative to Troon, as it was/is a port. I have a gg grandparent who was a "pilot" on his daughter's birth certificate. I'm guessing it wasn't on the Concord! She was born in Troon.
Hooe this is helpful!
Jeanne
-
Thanks for your answers, I just can't seem to find Charles or his family anywhere in Scotland & it's very frustrating!
-
Troon is in Ayrshire now, but pretty sure it was once part of Larnarkshire.
I very much doubt that Troon was ever in the County of Lanark, and it was certainly not in Lanarkshire (which is the same thing) in Charles' lifetime.
From Fullarton's Gazetteer (1842): "Troon: a promontory, a harbour, a thriving sea-port and a quoad sacra parish, at the west end of the parish of Dundonald, Ayrshire .... is by far the best natural harbour in Ayrshire .... The merchants of Glasgow, aware of its advantages, made a vain effort, about the year 1700,to purchase the adjacent property for the erection of a sea-port; and, in consequence of the repulse they met, were obliged to select the very inferior site of Port Glasgow ...."
-
I agree with Forfarian, Troon could never, at any time, have been part of Lanarkshire.
The surname Moore never strikes me as being Scottish. Here in Scotland it is more likely to have been Muir, so perhaps it was "Anglicised" when the family went abroad? Have you tried searching for that name in the Scottish records?
-
I agree with Forfarian, Troon could never, at any time, have been part of Lanarkshire.
The surname Moore never strikes me as being Scottish. Here in Scotland it is more likely to have been Muir, so perhaps it was "Anglicised" when the family went abroad? Have you tried searching for that name in the Scottish records?
I have tried looking for name variations, but there's so many Moore's/Muirs etc i haven't been able to narrow it down yet. Also my grandmother always said the name was origanlly O'Moore & then changed to Mooro at some stage, just to confuse matters even more!
-
O'Moore would make them Irish not Scottish.
-
O'Moore would make them Irish not Scottish.
Yes, maybe Charles parent's or father was from Ireland, I am yet to get that far in my research.