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Thanks guys
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Hi could well be these two:-
Ernest Bloomer Dec qtr 1932 Stourbridge 6c 73
Thomas Bloomer Dec qtr 1932 Stourbridge 6c 73
Both Mothers maiden name Taylor
Keyboard86
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Forgot to add; he was born on October (the fifth teenth)
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Four times a year, e.g. every three months, registrars in each district send all the records of births, marriages and deaths to the main archive where they are recorded. The reference number quoted of 6c/73, is the Volume and the page number and should always be quoted when ordering that certificate..
Your ancestor's October record of birth was sent by the registrar of the town of Stourbridge, which is in the county of Worcestershire, at the end of December 1932 = "Dec qtr"
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On FreeBMD
Marriages September 1/4 1928
Thomas Bloomer and Lily Taylor registration district Dudley vol 6b page 2253
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Some background info to help others : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=720062.0
Cheers, JM
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Thanks a ton for this. All I needed was his father's name and I managed to trace his line down to Robert Barzilay Bloomer
& Hannah Benveniste Mendes (born 1509 - Gloucestershire)
At this point the name changes, it's spelled either Blomer or Blumer.
I went back further still and found the surname first started as Herrera which is strange but interesting.
At the same time though this seems to disprove that my line is related to a certain famous person by the surname Bloomer, since his family tree is known. My mother would say that he was her great great uncle.
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Hi and welcome to rootschat,
To trace your grandfather's ancestry you need to purchase some BMD certs.
What country did Ernest marry in?
If it was my grandfather, I'd start with his marriage cert first.
The birth refs that Keyboard has given you looks good ( http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ ), you can order the certs from the England and Wales GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
The birth certificate will give you his exact birth date, the place/address where he was born, and the parent's names, and occupation of the father.
With that you can then look for the parents marriage (that may or may not be be the Thomas Bloomer and Lilly Taylor ) - Their marriage cert will give you the names of the fathers of the couple and their occupations, plus witnesses. With that information you can then consult the 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk/ and hopefully find them and their families - Then you go back further, step by step with certs and the 1901 to 1841 censuses.
I haven't read all of your other thread, but it seems that you have tried to "look Earnest up" on the internet and can't get back. I think the problem is that you do not have any basic hard evidence like his bmd certificates to start off with. It depends on if you want to trace him with 100% certainty, or you are just happy to guess at his heritage, - If you want to trace him back with any certainty, you need to first start off with some] good, solid, factual foundations such as purchasing his birth certificate from the GRO with the given refs that have been provided. Otherwise it is just guesses with very little evidence.
Without solid foundations, It is very, very easy to go off tracing the wrong people. There is only so much the internet can do.
Kind Regards :)
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ok, whilst typing my post, I see that you've just posted a reply and have now said you've traced to 1509 . A lot further than myself and in just a day , so perhaps I should not be giving tips.
Kind Regards
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May I please, please, please, express some concerns.
Thanks a ton for this. All I needed was his father's name and I managed to trace his line down to Robert Barzilay Bloomer
& Hannah Benveniste Mendes (born 1509 - Gloucestershire)
At this point the name changes, it's spelled either Blomer or Blumer.
I went back further still and found the surname first started as Herrera which is strange but interesting.
At the same time though this seems to disprove that my line is related to a certain famous person by the surname Bloomer, since his family tree is known. My mother would say that he was her great great uncle.
I cannot fathom how you can be confidently saying that you have traced back to 1509, or actually have traced back to your mother's grandparents in less than say four hours, which after all is when crisane kindly gave you the index information for the 1928 marriage that may well be for your mum's grandparents. It seems to me that you are relying on a combination of a) submitted information b) index transcriptions c) oral history..... I am not meaning to be suggesting these are not suitable to consider, but simply put, there's actual records that you should seriously consider as significant documents to obtain, as they are far more helpful in researching your family history.
:) Please do not rely on submitted trees without at least validating that person's research.
:) Please do not rely on index transcriptions without at least considering which item to actually obtain or make your own transcription of (swap/purchase/attend the archives and personally inspect the actual document etc)....
:) Please do use your oral history as part of your family history, and once you have identified a possible clue from it, then research that clue. Often there's a grain of truth there, and you just need to determine how to interpret the oral history.
ADD, I agree with Cell, there is only so much that the internet can do.
Cheers, JM
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On the lighter side, no disrespect intended, some interesting bloomers!
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/page/mabel-howard-becomes-first-woman-cabinet-minister
Jeanne
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Debra- you've now two threads about your family, possible ancestry etc. here where you've been given lots of excellent advice (most of which you seem to be ignoring) but what really puzzles me is the comments you've made about your surname, such as ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=720062.36
When discussing my surname with my mother, my mother said it meant flower (Bloom)
my mother's dad (surname Bloom comes from him)
My mother said my surname means flower. There's multiple families with the name Bloom
I seem to recall my grandfather saying his dad had the same name as him, so I looked for people of that name for the town he lived in. He was born in 1932 and I found a [his name] Bloom born in 1891. I traced this to 1850 and I found a Giles Blum - spelled with the u, instead of the double o's.
and then you started a second topic and suddenly change your grandfather's surname to BLOOMER ???
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721640
These are the facts I know; Born in England in '32. In the 'black country' Full name: Ernest Bloomer
At this point the name changes, it's spelled either Blomer or Blumer.
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ok, whilst typing my post, I see that you've just posted a reply and have now said you've traced to 1509 . A lot further than myself and in just a day , so perhaps I should not be giving tips.
Kind Regards
So polite :D
I cannot fathom how you can be confidently saying that you have traced back to 1509
Its the leaves silly ::)
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May indeed be the leaves, but possIbly also the tracing paper! 😄
Jeanne
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Thanks a ton for this. All I needed was his father's name and I managed to trace his line down to Robert Barzilay Bloomer
& Hannah Benveniste Mendes (born 1509 - Gloucestershire)
At this point the name changes, it's spelled either Blomer or Blumer.
I went back further still and found the surname first started as Herrera which is strange but interesting.
At the same time though this seems to disprove that my line is related to a certain famous person by the surname Bloomer, since his family tree is known. My mother would say that he was her great great uncle.
How did you trace your family to 1509?
How much further did you then go back to discover the surname was originally Herrera? Can you explain how Herrera became Blumer( or variants)?
Who is the famous Bloomer you thought you were related to? Why would your mother say he was her great uncle of he was not her great uncle?
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I get the feeling someone is taking the pi55
But I could be wrong ::)
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I get the feeling someone is taking the pi55
But I could be wrong ::)
;)
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Pith.... yep, that's a thought.
:)
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Most probably
what makes me really uncomfortable ( I've just read through the other thread)
is posting this :Young cousin http://
Other cousin http: ( I'm on purposely not posting the whole address from the other thread)
Do the parents ( whether their her parents siblings children or not!) of those children know that she is sharing their images over the internet without their parents consent?
Kind regards :)
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Steady on, chaps and chapesses.
A newbie finding her way is very different from someone "taking the PI55"
We all had to start somewhere, and probably made lots of mistakes of judgement.
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True Mike. But I figured a newbie would have at least attempted to respond to the advice given. There seems to be ( in my opinion) wilful ignorance
This is what led me to my comment and I am happy to stand by it. Its someone having a joke >:(
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I don't think so, but let's keep Rootschat a friendly welcoming place. :)
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You are right. :)
I wont be a party to either of the threads from now on( for my sanity)
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Sad thing is that there are lots of people who would be willing to help if DebraBloom would just give us some concrete information. I'm still not sure whether the name she is researching is Bloom or Bloomer.
Isobel
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Thanks a ton for this. All I needed was his father's name and I managed to trace his line down to Robert Barzilay Bloomer
& Hannah Benveniste Mendes (born 1509 - Gloucestershire)
At this point the name changes, it's spelled either Blomer or Blumer.
I went back further still and found the surname first started as Herrera which is strange but interesting.
At the same time though this seems to disprove that my line is related to a certain famous person by the surname Bloomer, since his family tree is known. My mother would say that he was her great great uncle.
How did you trace your family to 1509?
How much further did you then go back to discover the surname was originally Herrera? Can you explain how Herrera became Blumer( or variants)?
Who is the famous Bloomer you thought you were related to? Why would your mother say he was her great uncle of he was not her great uncle?
probably from here Ruskie http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/bloomer/264/
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I think I am just as confused as everyone else after reading the threads on here and the duplicate threads on the other sites as to what surname she is researching.
I agree with Isobel that there are lots of people here who would be willing to help DebraBloom, but for people to help her she does need to post some concrete information.
Perhaps Debra you could answer some of the questions that have been asked of you and provide proof of your facts, which would be an enormous help to everyone.
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Thanks again larkspur. I think I'm more confused than ever now. :)
Debra, you need to be very careful about believing the information you find on the internet - a lot of it is incorrect assumptions.
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NettieS's advice and comments are both moderate and helpful. Debra would do well to heed them. The statement about suddenly getting back to the 1500s must have taken everyone's breath away, as it did mine.
Having just read all the repetitive statements, here and other forum, whilst I won't suggest it's a wind-up, the original poster seems to have a very vague and woolly idea of what FH research is, - and an alarming habit of clutching at straws grasped almost at random.
Anyway, if Ms Taylor was her grandfather's mother - then as that's almost certainly not a Jewish surname, and as Jewish descent is traditionally maternal - then, sorry, Debra, that almost certainly rules out being Jewish in any case.
There's not really a "Jewish look", after all, is there. Perhaps there is Arab ancestry in her line? OIr Mediterranean? That would provide the "look" just as well. But I get the feeling that she would not welcome that as much.
Perhaps Trystan ought simply to pm her, and close this thread too, until she has some basic facts for us to use to assist her research. Can anyone put up the e-mail address to guide her to where she can get the certs - less than £10 each, if I remember rightly, and a good investment!
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You might find this useful:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
(if you find the correct birth, marriage or death then using the details you can order the certificates from here):
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
(easy and safe to do via credit card. I think certificates are still £9.50 each)
And some useful links which should help you Debra and confirm the advice you have been given:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=480454.0
(it's neither as easy nor as difficult as it seems. ;))
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Thanks a ton for this. All I needed was his father's name and I managed to trace his line down to Robert Barzilay Bloomer
& Hannah Benveniste Mendes (born 1509 - Gloucestershire)
At this point the name changes, it's spelled either Blomer or Blumer.
I went back further still and found the surname first started as Herrera which is strange but interesting.
I'm surprised anyone found any baptism records as early as that in Gloucestershire, England as the earliest records don't reach that far back, as listed on Hugh Wallis and also this webpage:-
http://www.hidden-heritage.co.uk/services/sources/parish-registers/
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Debra- instead of answering any of the questions put to you on both threads you've removed the original post on this one and said 'thank you.' We are all trying to help but perhaps you don't want any assistance or advice :-\
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Delete this thread please.
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Delete this thread please.
Rootschatters love a challenge Debra.
These threads are never deleted I'm afraid, however a moderator is able to lock them so no more replies can be made. This seems a shame in this case as some progress appears to have been made. :-\
If you tell us what the problem is we might be able to help you.
Was there an issue with the original information you supplied? Is that why you have deleted your original question on this thread?
If so, don't worry, just post any new information that has come to light.
I think there are many of us keen to lend a hand if you give us the chance.
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May I please support Ruskie's post. Yes, Rootschatters certainly love a challenge, and there's been excellent outcomes across the globe from the concerted efforts of RChatters.
Cheers, JM
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May I please support Ruskie's post. Yes, Rootschatters certainly love a challenge, and there's been excellent outcomes across the globe from the concerted efforts of RChatters.
Cheers, JM
👍👍👍I wholeheartedly endorse your comment JM! I have been on the receiving end of many excellent results from Rootchatters, who have generously shared their knowledge and experience, skills, time and determination - and help and advise us when we get stuck! That's what this very special community is all about! They really do go the extra mile! Thank You! 🌹
Jeanne
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I suspect perhaps Debra may feel as though we were "having a go" at her. :-\
Rather than doing that I think all we are pushing for are some facts, some answers to our questions, and for you to take on board all the advice given especially about ignoring online trees, and any talk of "Jewishness" (at least for the time being). ;)
I would advise you to stick with it Debra. I think we will all be disappointed if you throw in the towel now. ;D
If the rootschatters can't find your family then no one can.