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Title: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Saturday 23 May 15 13:14 BST (UK)
Hi all ;)

Please can any one help me with tracing the parents of Elizabeth Dent,
she was born 1791 ish.
Elizabeth Dent married Isaac Rowbotham 26th August 1809, Middleton in Teesdale,
you can find this family in 1841 census Mickleside, Egglestone.
Isaac Rowbottom 60
Elizh  Rowbottom 50.
Ann   Rowbottom 30
Mary  Rowbottom 15
John Rowbottom 13.

Same family 1851, Newtown, Durham.

Its Elizabeth Dent's parents i'm trying to find, in the 1841 census Elizabeth Dent shown as not born in county, does seem to be a lot of Dents in Teesdale area.
Many many thanks.
All the best.
Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 23 May 15 13:24 BST (UK)
Whilst Elizabeth's birthplace won't be shown in 1841 - you say it's the same family in 1851 so her birthplace should be shown
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Saturday 23 May 15 13:54 BST (UK)
Yes of course its Lundale, hope this would be a lead to Elizabeth Dent's parents,
thanks CaroleW.

Derek.

Lundale, Yorkshire.
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 23 May 15 13:59 BST (UK)
The actual place is Lunedale and this would appear to be her baptism:

Betty Dent born Grain's O'Beck, Lune bp.6/9/1789 Romaldkirk, Yorkshire, dau. of Robert and Sarah.

This is on familysearch.

If you google Lunedale you will see that baptisms for that place took place at Romaldkirk - likewise, googling shows Grain's O'Beck is in Lunedale.

Annette
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Saturday 23 May 15 14:58 BST (UK)
Wow thanks Annette7, thats a great start, would it be possible to know if Robert & Sarah had
other children.
How would i find a marriage for Robert & Sarah Dent.
Many many thanks CaroleW & Annette7.

Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 23 May 15 18:49 BST (UK)
A Joseph Dent bp.25/5/1786 - the only other one I can find.

Can't see obvious marriage for Robert and Sarah.

Annette
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Saturday 23 May 15 19:08 BST (UK)
There is also another Betty Dent baptised Romaldskirk 11th July 1791, which fits with her age in 1841 and 1851. She was born Blakehouse, daughter of Thomas and Mary. Blakehouse is also Lunesdale I believe. Picture ref 167

http://www.lunedaleheritage.org.uk/display_selected_images.php?pagenum=2&keyword=Reservoirs
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Saturday 23 May 15 19:35 BST (UK)
Its complicated isn't it ???

Hope some one can help ::)

Thanks again Annette & groom.

Derek :'(
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Saturday 23 May 15 20:00 BST (UK)
I wondered whether the names of Isaac and Elizabeth's children might help, but the only one that is the same as any of the possible parents is Mary.

Baptisms:

Ann 16th Feb 1811
James 16th Feb 1817
Mary 9th Feb 1823
John 1st October 1826
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Saturday 23 May 15 20:07 BST (UK)
Hi groom i thought of Mary also, there are just so many Dents in same area :'(
with a bit of luck some one might have answer's, perhaps a Dent ancestor :'(
Thanks so much for trying :'(
I'll be ok :'( honest :'(
Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Saturday 23 May 15 20:12 BST (UK)
The problem as well is that the only time she is referred to as Betty is on the 1851, on her marriage she is Elizabeth and on the children's baptisms and the 1841 she is also Elizabeth. The Betty could be a red herring and just a nickname, so perhaps we should be looking for the baptism of an Elizabeth Dent born about 1791.
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Saturday 23 May 15 20:16 BST (UK)
Never beaten ;D iv'e cheered up already ;D
Thanks groom :)

Derek
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Sunday 24 May 15 10:08 BST (UK)
Is this another one to look into ???

Elizabeth Dent:
Christened: 20th May 1788.
Thornton-Steward, York.
Parents: John & Elizabeth.

Any help sorting my Dent's out greatly appreciated :'(
{ no pun intended there }
All the best.
Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Sunday 24 May 15 11:00 BST (UK)
Careful, Derek, you are in danger of clutching at straws.

From the evidence we know she wasn't born in Durham, both censuses give a DOB about 1891 (although of course the 1841 is rounded) and according to the 1851 she was born in Lunesdale. From her marriage and the children's baptism we know she was probably Elizabeth rather than Betty. Have you got her death, or is she in the 1861 census?
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Sunday 24 May 15 11:27 BST (UK)
No address for 1861 but Isaac Rowbotham 80 Head Married Pauper formerly road labourer

Elizabeth 68.

Mary Rowbottom granddaughter 14. House servant. Warringham, Durham.

Isaac's death Jan/Feb/March 1864. Hartlepool.
I dont seem to have Elizabeth's death but i'm certain she died same area as Isaac,
thought they were in Hartlepool because McIntosh now live there.
Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Sunday 24 May 15 11:37 BST (UK)
So there again, she is giving her age as being born around 1791/92 rather than earlier.
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Sunday 24 May 15 11:41 BST (UK)
 :) 1861 address for Isaac & Elizabeth Egglestone Terrace, Egglestone.

Elizabeth's age nearly always shown as 10 years younger than Isaac.

Derek.

Sure Elizabeth died in Hartlepool.
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Sunday 24 May 15 11:52 BST (UK)
I see as well that in 1861 she still gives her place of birth as Lunesdale, so I think we can be fairly certain that is where she was born.
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Sunday 24 May 15 11:59 BST (UK)
Could she also have died in 1864?

 ELIZABETH   ROWBOTHAM
 March quarter 1864
 TEESDALE  Durham
 Volume   10A  Page   126
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Sunday 24 May 15 12:11 BST (UK)
Another one to make a note of until something positive comes up

Elizabeth Dent
Birth:     Thringarth  (Lunesdale)
Baptism:     9 Feb 1794
Baptism Place:   Romaldkirk, York, England
Father:   John Dent
Mother:   Mary Dent
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Sunday 24 May 15 12:33 BST (UK)
Hi groom ;)
iv'e been going through my files and i dont seem to have a death for Elizabeth,
if Isaac died in Hartlepool, and he died first, perhaps Elizabeth moved back to the area she knew best, just speculating.
Thanks groom ;)

Derek
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: barney on Thursday 28 May 15 16:48 BST (UK)
Hi, Elizabeth was daughter of John Dent and Mary Alderson who were my 3rd Great Grandparents. She married William Raine in Roamldkirk in 1813 and died in 1839.
Hope this helps
Regards Barney
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Thursday 28 May 15 20:17 BST (UK)
Hi Barney,
sorry i'm a bit muddled here, my Elizabeth Dent married Isaac Rowbotham,
26th August 1809, Middleton in Teesdale, its Elizabeth's parents i'm wanting information
on.
Thanks.
Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 28 May 15 20:28 BST (UK)
Hi Derek,

Just in case you don't have this info - There is an anc tree with Isaac Rowbotham and Elizabeth Dent - it shows a son James Rowbotham born in 1817 who married a Mary Harrison 26 January 1839 Wolsingham Parish Church.

They both appear on the 1841 Census Wolsingham - HO107/308/18

James Rowbotham aged 20 years. Ag Lab. Born in County
Mary Rowbotham aged 20 years. Born in County.

They have at least 6 children by 1861 - can give more info if you need it.


All the best
Sandra
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Thursday 28 May 15 20:45 BST (UK)
Sandra that would be wonderful, any chance tree mention's Elizabeth Dent's parents.

Many many thanks.
Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Friday 29 May 15 11:06 BST (UK)
Hi,
i was sent some time ago a writen out version of the 1841 census, Mickleside, Egglestone,
on this is:
Isaac Rowbotham 60
Elizabeth "           50
Ann           "
Mary         "
John         "

no mention of James Rowbotham born 1817.
Please could some one tell me the Rowbotham's had any other children.
All the best.
Derek ;)

Just relised James Rowbotham would have been married before 1841 so would be on a
different census.
Please could some one tell me what appears of the 1841 census for James Rowbotham.
he may have married in Wolsingham.
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 29 May 15 11:22 BST (UK)
Hi Derek,

Just in case you don't have this info - There is an anc tree with Isaac Rowbotham and Elizabeth Dent - it shows a son James Rowbotham born in 1817 who married a Mary Harrison 26 January 1839 Wolsingham Parish Church.

They both appear on the 1841 Census Wolsingham - HO107/308/18

James Rowbotham aged 20 years. Ag Lab. Born in County
Mary Rowbotham aged 20 years. Born in County.

They have at least 6 children by 1861 - can give more info if you need it.


All the best
Sandra

HI Derek,

This was James on the 1841 census which I quoted.

Sandra
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 29 May 15 11:24 BST (UK)
One anc tree gave parents as James Rowbotham and Ann but no details - a guesstimate at the 1860 for the birth of James  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Friday 29 May 15 11:37 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra,
do you have the children's names from James & Mary Rowbotham's marriage
26 Jan 1839, Wolsingham, you said they have 6 children by the 1861 census,
are they still in Wolsingham?

All the best.
Derek ;)

still looking for Elizabeth Dent's parents any help much appreciated.
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Friday 29 May 15 16:10 BST (UK)
Would some one please look up the 1861 census please for the address and names of children of
James & Mary Rowbotham living in Wolsingham.
Many thanks.
Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Friday 29 May 15 16:30 BST (UK)
Hello Derek - is this the family?

1861   Piece 3713  Folio     85    Page  12
12, Old Thristleflat, North Bedburn, Auckland, Durham

James   Rowbotham   Head    44       Coal Miner                      Durham    
Mary   Rowbotham        wife   44                                          Stanhope, Durham
Ann   Rowbotham   Daughter       16       Dressmaker   Stanhope, Durham    
Margaret   Rowbotham   Daughter    12       Scholar           Wolsingham, Durham    
Charlotte   Rowbotham   Daughter       10       Scholar   Wolsingham, Durham
Joseph   Rowbotham   Son       7                                Wolsingham, Durham
Hannah Maria   Rowbotham       5                                Wolsingham, Durham
James   Rowbotham   Son       2                                Tow Law, Durham
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Friday 29 May 15 16:39 BST (UK)
Just knew my old friend would pop up, thanks groom ;D
Derek. ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Friday 29 May 15 17:07 BST (UK)
Now looking for a marriage of the last born child of Isaac & Mary Rowbotham,
John Rowbotham, baptised 1st October 1828,
i should ask did John marry and who to,
did he have children.
Any help much appreciated.
All the best.
Derek ;)

Also first born Ann Rowbotham, born 1811, who did she marry and any children,
Rowbothom in all variations of spelling. ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Monday 01 June 15 11:15 BST (UK)
On the 1851 census Isaac & Elizabeth's daughter Ann is 36 yrs old,
niece Mary Rowbottom 4yrs old, dosn't look as though Ann Married, but who's
child is Mary Rowbottom, still looking for a marriage of John Rowbotham.
Many thanks.
Derek ;)
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 01 June 15 11:21 BST (UK)
Could this birth fit   ??? - Mary Rowbotham - 7th March 1847 Wolsingham, Durham. Parents James and Mary Rowbotham

Sandra
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Monday 01 June 15 12:24 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra, yes it would fit but wonder where she is in 1861 census ???
All the best.
Derek ;)

Found her, Mary is with Isaac now 80 yrs old,
Elizabeth 68, Mary Rowbottom 14 house servant.
is there an address for Isaac & Elizabeth in 1861 census please.
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 01 June 15 12:52 BST (UK)
Mary could have married Thomas Watson according to anc tree entry
1871 Hamsterley Auckland Durham - RG10 Piece 4936 Folio 24 Page 29

Thomas Watson  26 Born  Middleton in Teesdale, Durham.
Marcy Watson  23 Born Wolsingsham, Durham.
John Watson  6 Born Brechburn, Durham.
Hanah Watson  1 Born Etherly Moore, Durham.

Sandra
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: groom on Monday 01 June 15 12:54 BST (UK)
Here we are, Derek - I'm beginning to know this family as well as I do my own.   ;D That address rings a bell, have we found it before, or were they there in an earlier census?

Eggleston Terrace, Eggleston, Teesdale, Durham

Isaac   Robottom   Head       80       Pauper Formerly Road Labourer   Eggleston, Durham
Elizabeth   Robottom   Wife       68                                              Swordale, Yorkshire
Mary   Robottom   Granddaughter       14       House Servant           Durham
Title: Re: Dent family.
Post by: stockton on Monday 01 June 15 14:33 BST (UK)
 ;) Thanks groom, i found the information about address, it was from the time you and jenB
helped with my McIntosh's.
Thanks any way your a great guardian angel ;)

Mary married George McIntosh Sandra ;) its john Rowbotham now did he marry ???
All the best to all.
Derek