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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Peter Russell on Wednesday 20 May 15 17:21 BST (UK)
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Both the brothers above went to Canada in the 1890's I believe, however I have not found the records of their passage. I did find census records but very vague for Richard in Saskatchewan, not sure if it is correct. I then traced a census for a Richard R Russell in Toronto, this could be him if anyone can look this up and find more details than those published it would be terrific. Harry James returned to England again no trace on passenger lists that I can find.
Regards Peter Russell
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Hi Peter,
Those early passenger lists don't really show enough details to positively identify someone. There is a Richard Russell born 1874 and aged 23 years travelling to Canada on the Parisian departing Liverpool to Quebec 9 Sept 1897. No other Russell travelling with him. No occupation and no destination unfortunately.
Regards
Sandra
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1892 passenger list for R R Russell born about 1874 and aged 18 years. Liverpool to Quebec on the Sardinian arriving 2 May 1892. Looks like a Mr J Russell aged 27 years listed just above him so perhaps that is one to discount.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra, that could be it Mr J Russell could be Harry (J) Russell as he was born in 1865 so 1892 less 27 is 1865. thank you so much. Regards Peter.
PS All I have got to do is trace this record for myself
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Hi Sandra, I found the entry and think that the mark before the J Russell is very likely to be the H and mistaken for Mr. As no other entries have got a Mr before the male name I think it is fairly safe to assume this is H. All other information appears to be correct IE time of going, to Russell's with ages that correspond, marital status etc.
If anybody can look up records in Toronto for the RR Russell recorded would be most helpful if this is the one born in 1874 I will then have his wife's name etc, regards Peter.
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Hi Peter,
Have you tried automated genealogy for free 1901 and 1911 Canadian Census ???
http://automatedgenealogy.com/
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra for the link, no luck so far, regards Peter
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HI Peter,
What other info do you have regarding the R R Russell in Toronto ?
Came across this one on FIND A GRAVE 1884 - 1952
Burial Mount Pleasant Cemetery Toronto Toronto Municipality Ontario.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=137654716&PIpi=111166957
You could try and see if there is an obituary for him to see if he is yours - free access here until 31 May (courtesy of Trystan)
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/search.html
Sandra
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Haven't come across the obit of Richard Russell to see if he is yours or if we can discount him but here is the obit of his wife Lucrece Russell - Death Notice Toronto Star - 1 st June 1965
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fcf/
Sandra
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Hi,
RIchard R Russell's obit is in the Toronto Star - 10 Oct 1952, page 35. He lived at 2122 Gerrard St East. He died on Oct 10th. He was 68 years old. His wife Lucrece is mentioned. No kids mentioned. It also says that he was survived by 2 brothers and 2 sisters in Scotland. Unfortunately, they aren't named.... but, hopefully, this information can help determine whether or not this is your man :)
RK
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Hi all, thanks for your hard work it seems that this Richard R Russell is not the one I am looking for, did not think that it would be that hard to find him, with the initials RR.
The one in Toronto was the one that I thought might be him, mine Richard Robert Russell was born on 17 Apr 1874 so 10 years earlier, we are also the English branch of the Russell family.
It seems most likely that the passenger list for 1892 is correct as it would support the oral family history that RR & HJ Russell travelled to Canada, but that HJ came back and that RR was in Saskatchewan, however the census record for a Richard Russell in Manitoba for 1906 gives wrong age and different immigration year of 1903.
So it appears back to square one, he could have died or gone to the USA, I suppose.
Regards Peter
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Hello Peter
I have searched around in Saskatchewan(my home province) and found a land record for a Richard R Russell NW Section 20 Township 17 Range 14 W2.This record from the Saskatchewan Homestead Index Project .
Further searching on the Canada Land Grant site through Library and Archives Canada I found a land grant record for Harry James Russell Number 81764 original owner NE Section 20 Township 17 Range 14 W2. There is a copy of the record you can view.
Now as these land records are side by side only stands to reason these are more than likely your family members.
Will do another quick search to see if I can find anything further.
Did Harry return and Richard stay? Any further info will be of great help.
Cheers
Lilybell
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Hi there, just to mention it might be worth you searching for Rassell as well as Russell. In researching my Rassell family I often find Russell has been mistranscribed as Rassell, but phonetic searches don't always catch them. Good luck!
Heather
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Thanks Lilybell and Heather, I am blown away about the Land Grant information, yes Harry James did come back to the UK, no record found as yet on the passenger lists, but went to Wales and married a local girl, perhaps he did not go home as he did not make it in Canada. I assume that his brother Richard took over his Land Grant. HJ then moved back to England hence my existence.
Kind regards Peter.
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PS Married in Wales in 1901, so left Canada 1892 to say 1897ish.
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Hi Lilybell, I found the file numbers 440179 for Harry James and 412445 for Richard R on the Homestead Index but got lost in the Library and Archives of Canada.
It seems that if I want these records a fee of $15 each is payable, but would also be interested if you find a census record for Richard as I would really like to know if he raised a family in Canada.
Cheers Peter.
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Hi Peter
I am going down to Regina,Sask in July and if you are not in a big hurry I can stop at the Archives and look up the land records as I have done this before in Alberta. I believe they only charge for photo copies of the records.
I have sent for land records from the Saskatchewan Archives in the past and the charge is $15.00
they are so backed up it can take a long time to get the records.
Let me know if you would like me to do the look up.
I have searched census records till my eyeballs are falling out and have not came up with any conclusive evidence for either brother.
The land records might shed some light on the situation. Do you know if Richard went by his first
or middle name or if he used Dick...looking at all possibilities. Marriages in Saskatchewan Vital
Statistics are not online yet won't be started until the deaths are done.
Will keep looking might have to look further afield maybe the US.
Library and Archives Canada look under Western Canada Land Grants.
Cheers
Lilybell :) :) :)
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Hi Lilybell, that is very kind of you, I am not in a great hurry, but keen to know more, if you can get copies of the information I would be very grateful and can do a bank transfer for your expenses.
It does seem strange that no further records appear about Richard and the only oral history is that he went to Saskatchewan, it is only by chance speaking to a second cousin in Wales that I only discovered last year. and she told me that Harry James also went to Canada. Richard went when he was 18 and seems very young to have been granted land. Harry James it seems did not spend much time in Canada anyway so I guess it's not likely that he appeared on a census record.
I don't think that Richard used his middle name, but this is only a guess.
Kind regards Peter.
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PS to my earlier message, I found the record in the Western Canada Land Grant records for HJ and it appears at this time (cannot read dates) that Richard was not registered for the NW Section, seems curious, cheers Peter.