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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Lindon on Monday 11 May 15 12:25 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find my Great Grandmother Margaret Donovan, married to John, and have discovered listed in the 1841 census a Margaret Dunevin 25 with a 3 year old daughter called Ann which would fit in with Margaret and John's 1851 census.
More recent records state my Great Grandmother's maiden name is Mannion and since she was living in a household of Marageret Manning a widow aged 60 (which phonetically could be mistaken for Mannon) so I am wondering if she could possibly be the daughter.
There is also an Anthony Manning aged 25 there, so could she be a twin?
I am unable to check necessary church records and would be grateful if someone could help me with any in formation about the following;
1. Margaret's marriage to John Donovan
2. Whether or not Anthony and Margaret are twins and date of birth/christening
Thank you.
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There is also an Anthony Manning aged 25 there, so could she be a twin?
2. Whether or not Anthony and Margaret are twins and date of birth/christening
Thank you.
Don't forget ages of adults 15yrs + are rounded down to the nearest 5 years on 1841 census
So if Anthony and Margaret are entered as age 25 they could be ages 25-29 -so possibly not twins -1841 census can be confusing - as can baptisms when 2 (or more) children are baptised at the same time - leads you to thinking twins/triplets - of course there is also the possibility that they could be twins - will see what I can find
Suz
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More recent records state my Great Grandmother's maiden name is Mannion
Which records are these :-\
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1838 Ann DONAVAN registered Wigan mother's maiden name given as MANNION
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1838 Ann DONAVAN registered Wigan mother's maiden name given as MANNION
I always forget lancsbmd ::)
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Thanks everyone for your help.
Yes I have Ann Donovan's Birth cert. 1838 and see her Mother's maiden name is reg. as Mannion. Margaret reg. it as Mannon on 1851 at the birth of Nicholas, my Grandfather. However I cannot find any trace of Margaret's married name Donovan anywhere on the 1841 census other than the Margaret Dunevin with Daughter Ann in Wigan in the Manning household.
Perhaps I am clutching at straws and relying too much on possible mistakes made because of accents and their illiteracy.
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Just to cause a little more confusion
There is a marriage for
John Donovan and Margaret Nunan in 1842 at St Anthony RC Church Liverpool. Were the family Catholics?
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Thanks everyone for your help.
Yes I have Ann Donovan's Birth cert. 1838 and see her Mother's maiden name is reg. as Mannion. Margaret reg. it as Mannon on 1851 at the birth of Nicholas, my Grandfather. However I cannot find any trace of Margaret's married name Donovan anywhere on the 1841 census other than the Margaret Dunevin with Daughter Ann in Wigan in the Manning household.
Perhaps I am clutching at straws and relying too much on possible mistakes made because of accents and their illiteracy.
Hi Lindon,
What is the address on Ann's birth certificate?
What is John's occupation?
Lancashire BMD has deaths in Wigan
Anthony Mannin 24 yrs 1849
Ann Manning 72 yrs 1850
Heywood
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Hello Heywood,
Thanks for Anthony and Ann's death dates I will certainly try to follow those up.
The address on Ann's birth certificate is Chapel Lane Wigan and John is a weaver. Not sure about their religion though but I think it was Catholic.
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I saw a couple of John Donovans in 1841 who were weavers living in Manchester.
1851 shows Ann born Manchester but Margaret as Wigan which is odd.
What about later censuses for Ann?
There is also quite a gap between Ann and the next child, Margaret. This could often indicate a second marriage but you have the Mannion name for Ann and Nicholas, which seems to confirm that it us the same mother.
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I have not been able to trace Ann in any further records after the 1851 census.
The gap between the areas and birth of the two children is odd and a second marriage did not occur to me. However if the misspelling of Dunevin in 1841 census changing to Donovan in 1851 surely makes this unlikely.
The parents John and Margaret in 1851 only show Ann and Margaret as their children. But by my calculations my Grandfather definitely Nicholas born 06.05.1851 to a John and Margaret was born two months after it was taken.
I just hope I havn't been tracing the wrong family tree.
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Yes, 1841 does seem to link to 1851.
1851 has the family in Style Street - does that fit with Nicholas' birth address?
There is a possibility for Margaret in 1881, a pauper inmate in Crumpsall workhouse. Margaret Donnevan b Wigan.
1867 Nicholas Donnavan marries Elizabeth Smith - address Henry Street.
1871 he is described as Michael Donnaven - still Henry Street living with Elizabeth's mother.
So they are linked.
There is no sign of the Donovans in 1861.
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Style Street does match Nicholas' birth address and I think he was wandering the streets or in a children's home around 1861 so that would account for not being on the 1861 census.
The other dates - 1867 wedding and 1871 census I know are correct.
I wasn't aware of Margaret Donnevan's workhouse information in 1881 and will certainly follow that up.
Apart from all this can you think of any way I can find out if there is any connection between her maiden name being Manion and the family she was with being called Manning in the 1841? I am desperate to know!
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Hello Heywood
Thank you for all your time and kind help you have given me. It really is much appreciated.
Lindon
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Hello again,
I can only think of checking with Wigan archives re RC records for the time.
It does seem to fit well but just no real proof for you!
Heywood
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Thank you again. Lindon