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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: banora on Thursday 07 May 15 01:43 BST (UK)
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HI,
Catalina Reid b 1862 Buenos Aires,Argentina (Parents Patrick Vans Agnew Reid born in Scotland & Mary Ann McClymont b Buenos Aires,Argentina) Catalina's father Patrick was a Sheep farmer in Argentina. In the English census Patrick & Mary were back living in England :Milverton,Somerset, in 1901 in Bournemouth,Hampshire. Catalina married Thomas Conroy Fair who was b 1864 (I think in Argentina) they were m 20 Mar 1890 St John's Buenos Aires,Argentina, I would like to know when and where this couple died, I found any entry in the 1901 british census living in Clevedon,Somerset,England, nothing later. Can anyone help with this.
Many Thanks
B. :)
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Hi is this the 1901 census you located for Catalina Fair in 1901?
Catherine Fair 38 Widow
James C 9
Ellen M 7
George Patrick 4
All born Argentine Republic ( British Subjects)
Residing at 11, Jesmond Road, Clevedon, Long Ashton, Somerset
Census Ref RG13/2355/7/24
Their is this death?
Thomas Conroy Fair Sept qtr 1897 Watford 3a 400 aged 33, but I located an incoming passenger list from Bueno Aires 3rd August 1895 which suggested Ellen was b c 1893 James b c 1891 Thomas b c 1855 and a name I could not work out with middle initial L b c 1859?
Keyboard86
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Hi,
Yes thats the one I found, it is the family thank you, did you happen to come across a death for Catherine (aka Catalina or Lina.)?
I was hoping if I found her information I may get something on gt.grandfather Reuben Reid b 1751 in Culross,Scotland and married Jean/Jane Peacock on 27 Nov 1784 in Culross,Perth,Scotland (son was James Reid (Reverend.)Minister of Kirkinner b 1787, dod 1874 his wife Mary E. Davidson. I seem to have hit a brick wall with them.
B.
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Hi again, it may help if we could locate where the children went after the 1901?!
Keyboard86
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For what it's worth, a tree on Ancestry shows:
James Conroy Fair killed in France in 1915 probate to Catherine Fair widow (tree ascribes this to be the widow of James but possibly mother).
Helen Mary Conroy Fair married 1919 surname Sweet-Escott died Worthing West Sussex 1977.
George Patrick Conroy Fair killed 1916 in (tree shows Somerset but probate shows France) probate to Catherine Fair widow.
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Hi,
Yes I have that James Conroy Fair did 28 Dep 1915 in France (probate to his mother I thought as no sign of his being married.
Helen (Ellen) Conroy Fair , have same details as shown in post by neb_maat_re
George Patrick Conroy Fair (2nd Lieutenant with 1st Sommersetshire Light Inf. d 1916, Somerset England he also not married.
B.
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Hi again, their is a Mrs Catherine Fair aged 57 departing Liverpool for Madeira, Canary Islands 1st Class 24th January 1920 on SS Ardeola?
She was due to return to England after this voyage.
Keyboard86
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Hi again, and another voyage 15th February 1935 London to Gibraltar on SS Orama for a Mrs C Fair aged 72 residence in the UK The Knoll, Clevedon, Somerset, she appears to be accompanied on the voyage with a Mrs H Sweet-Escott aged 41 residence in UK The Warren nr Ottery St Mary, Devon.
Keyboard86
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Hi,,
Wow, well that certainly looks like it is my Catherine, so she was still alive in 1935, thank you for your help, I really appreciate it. Will see what I can find now.
B.
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A Catherine Fair dies in the December quarter 1947 in Weston aged 85 so the age is a fit.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?scan=1&r=195292725:8251&d=bmd_1428911698
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As you may have missed my amended last post, it looks like she is travelling with her daughter in 1935!
Agree with death registration.
Keyboard86
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Oh Hi again to keyboard and neb_maat_re, I had just search and found the death registration and about to reply when both of your emails came in, it all fits, now just to go down the path of her gt grandfather. Many thanks for your help I don't think I would have found the information you sent me on my own.
B. ;)
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it looks like she is travelling with her daughter in 1935!
Good pick up - it's always handy when someone in the family has a distinctive name!
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Probate record on https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/ granted in 1948 for Fair, Catherine aka Catherine Lina shows death 8 December 1947, probate granted to Helen Mary Conroy Sweet-Escott single woman.
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HI,
Yes that's her daughter, and also the probate granted to Helen Mary Conroy Sweet-Escott single woman, she must have divorced her husband (Stanley Bickham Sweet-Escott) as his date of death is 1965?.
B
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Thomas Conroy Fair of the Darley Dale Hydropathic Establishment died at "The Cedars" Rickmansworth on 29 September 1897. Administration to widow Catherine. (Probate Calendar)
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George Patrick Conroy Fair (2nd Lieutenant with 1st Sommersetshire Light Inf. d 1916, Somerset England he also not married.
Details here of George's death on active service 1 July 1916 and burial in France, rather than Somerset:
www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/311824/FAIR,%20GEORGE%20PATRICK%20CONROY
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James Conroy Fair remembered by Clifton Rugby Football Club http://www.cliftonrfchistory.co.uk/memorial/WW1/fair.htm
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From newspaper reports of his death, George Patrick Conroy Fair was educated at Easington, Clevedon, at Lambrook, Bracknell and at Uppingham.
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Hi,
Thank you ShaunJ and Avm228 for information re deaths of both George & James also website for the Clifton Rugby Football club.
Banora
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Yes that's her daughter, and also the probate granted to Helen Mary Conroy Sweet-Escott single woman, she must have divorced her husband (Stanley Bickham Sweet-Escott) as his date of death is 1965?.
On the British Newspaper Archive you will find the Western Daily Press for Friday 27 May 1932 has a report of the decree nisi for Mrs Helen Mary Conroy Sweet Escott.
Just search for "Sweet-Escott" + divorce, and it's the 2nd result down. A free sign-up gives you 3 free downloads.
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Hi again,
Thank you I was able to see the notice in the newspaper as you suggested.
Banora