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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: chrisaaaaa on Saturday 02 May 15 01:21 BST (UK)
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I was wondering if the RN records could be turned up of a guy who served in the Canadian forces, and listed 5 yrs service in the RN in his attestation papers.
He was Douglas George Phythian (b 6 Apr 1884, Omagh Co, Tyrone, Ireland), he turns up in a few places.
In Toxteth 1891
Possibly joining the 4th Liverpool regiment in 1900.
In Winnipeg in 1909
Joining Canadian army in 1914
Shipping back to Canada injured in 1915
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there is an army birth index,,,but its for 1888...probable son of Company sergeant major Douglas Pythian ,2nd battalion West India regiment,who was discharged in 1898 aged 40.I cant see any naval records for him,,,just his militia attestation in 1900,which you already know about.
DOUGLAS G PHYTHIAN
Year 1888 OMAGH IRELAND
Regiment West India Regiment
Volume 1646
Page 55
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Thanks, good to know there is a very similar person to be careful of, I don't think the DGP born in 1888 can be the one who signed up in 1900.
I only know my DGP, or possibly a third DGP signed up in 1900, I don't have a FindMyPast subscription, I shall have to get the detail next freebie Friday.
My DGP was son of another DGP (b Cork 1858), shown as a Soldier in 1891, but living in Liverpool, maybe he was the CSM from the West India regiment and I have messed up somewhere.
Still puzzled over my DGP, after returning to Canada injured he disappears from the records, oral history has him marrying a Daisy in Liverpool and sailing on the Baltic, but I can turn up nothing.
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people did lie about there ages,,,the chap in the militia states he was born in 1882,,,,and was formerly in the Kings Liverpool regiment.He enlists in Fermoy.Joins in Belfast. Is discharged in 1901 under article 1142 (iii) free of charge.His father is Douglas,,,his mother is Mary,,,he has a brother Edwin,,and sister Nellie.They are residing at 21 Newlands Street,Liverpool.
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Douglas PHYTHIAN senior was discharged in 1898...his intended residence was 35 Rupert Grove,Everton,Liverpool.
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Douglas G Phythian enlistment into the Kings Liverpool regiment gives his year of birth as 1883.
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So,,,after enlisting in the Kings Liverpool regiment {militia} he then joins the Royal Irish Rifles serves from the 3/10/1900 to 30/6/01. All his service is classed as "at home",,,this includes Ireland. Have you found him in the UK or Irish 1901 census ?
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Edwins army index birth...note that the volume and page number are the same as Douglas G Phythian....i wonder if Douglas was a late registration ?
First name(s) EDWIN J
Last name PHYTHIAN
Year range 1886
Place OMAGH
Country IRELAND
Regiment West India Regiment
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume 1646
Page 55
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Douglas junior is still in the army,,,so not with his family in the 1901 census.
1901 census
29, Brunel Street, Everton, West Derby,
Mary L Phythian Head Married Female 37 1864 Washerwoman Ireland
Nellie Phythian Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Packer Druggist's Sundries Ireland
Edwin Phythian Son Single Male 14 1887 Bread Shop Boy Ireland
Walter Phythian Son Male 12 1889 Ireland
Viola Phythian Daughter Female 9 1892 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Madge Phythian Daughter Female 4 1897 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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First name(s) WALTER E
Last name PHYTHIAN
Year range 1889
Place OMAGH
Country IRELAND
Regiment West India Regiment
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume 1646
Page 55
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005
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These are all the Phythian children army births for the West India Regiment.
PHYTHIAN DOUGLAS G — — 1888 Ireland
PHYTHIAN EDWIN J — — 1886 Ireland
PHYTHIAN MARGUERITE — — 1896 England
PHYTHIAN SARAH H — — 1884 Ireland
PHYTHIAN VIOLA J — — 1892 England
PHYTHIAN WALTER E — — 1889 Ireland
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Walter Ernest also served in the Liverpool Regiment during WW1
First name(s) Walter E
Last name Phythian
Service number 1315
Rank Private
Corps Liverpool Regiment
Service record Soldier Number: 1315, Rank: Private, Corps: Liverpool Regiment
Archive reference WO372/15
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Country Great Britain
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Thanks for all the information Gortonboy, it all lines up and makes sense, still leaves the mystery of why he signed up in Canada claiming to be a sailor.
The males seemed all keen to be in the army at any opportunity, I wonder if it was a long standing family tradition?
This leaf of the my tree is there because it contains my mothers cousin, I can go back to the CSM Douglas, but cannot work out his parents and hence the link over to the unknown father of Thomas Phythian in my line.
Don't suppose the military records you have show the next generation up?
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Douglas Phythian senior gives his next of kin as his wife Mary Louisa,,,,however above that,,crossed out..it says Uncle Douglas Phythian, and what looks like Montana,Utah.
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Many thanks - very interesting.
Nothing springs out of Ancestry, but certainly an interesting lead, I shall have to get a look at the docs to see if I can decipher it, there is at least one Montana in Utah, but nothing large.
Chris