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I believe I may have found the date of birth of my grandfather who seems to have changed his name.
Can birth records for NSW be rearched for a specific date detailing all born on that date?
Cheers
DonL
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Simple answer NO..You need at least a surname or using the wide search something like (S*) for SMITH will return every name beginning with "S"
The same for Given names.
Births are only searchable for the time up to 100 years ago. EG as of today the 29th April 1915.
Neil
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Thanks for that - the date is well over 100 - probably 12 January 1883 - where do I search?
Cheers
Don
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My grgrandmother changed her first and second name. For years we could not find her marriage to grgrandad or her birth. (Evidently she hated her long old fashioned name and modernised it)
Eventually we found them all in the BDM and a 'unknown' marriage.
I searched for suspected birth surnames and then I was able to talk to decendants of her sisters and brothers to confirm that she married the man from the 'unknown' marriage and what her very first birthname was. Evidence was found in the letters she mailed to family.
The fact that you are dealing with a smaller area like NSW BDM should help.
I'd also check trove to see if his real name is mentioned as an alias.
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I believe I may have found the date of birth of my grandfather who seems to have changed his name.
Can birth records for NSW be rearched for a specific date detailing all born on that date?
Cheers
DonL
Hi Don, Is this your elusive chap, with surname starting with "L" ..... if so, then NSW BDM online may just be able to help, but it could let you down yet again.
The search box at NSW BDM has recently been upgraded. I will do some 'trial' runs and come back to your thread shortly. Hopefully with some new tips for achieving your quest.
Cheers, JM
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:)
Select births, and accept the default option "no" re the search by reference no.
Use the wildcard option for the surname.
So use the asterisk (uppercase 8 on standard keyboards)
do NOT enter any other options re names
Scroll down to Date of Event
from and enter 11 01 1883
to and enter 13 01 1883
(notice it does not like entering same date at both options)
THEN if that does not turn up any likely results, consider that the birth registration has perhaps not been included in the online index.
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NSW BDM online allows you to select a heading on those results and re-sort to that heading.... so you could select Armidale or Newcastle :) after obtaining all the births registered at the Head Office of the NSW Registrar General :) (Don't forget that in 1883 that births were registered locally and the deputy BDM registrar was meant to forward those registrations quarterly to Sydney HQ and that there was no formal regulations ensuring that quarterly process actually occurred until after WWI ! )
Cheers, JM
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Of course you can ;D
Put an asterisk (wildcard for NSW BMD *) in all empty boxes, surname given name etc right down the list.
Enter 1883 in both the date from and date to boxes and click search.
That will give you the entire years births.
Sue
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Same thoughts as JM ;D
Sue
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Same thoughts as JM ;D
Sue
Yes, so we are confirming the latest NSW BDM upgraded feature. :)
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Don,
I know you are looking for a male, but
12 January 1883, Mary E LONSDALE, birth registered Wallsend (so Newcastle region), to George and Mary A. (NSW BDM 28435)
(Add I did two separate searches to deduce that exact date:
date searched 11 01 1883 to 12 01 1883 and
then again 12 01 1883 to 13 01 1883,
so by deduction, date of birth must be 12 January 1883)
Cheers, JM
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There is a death registered in Newcastle area NSW at STOCKTON for a LINDAHL. Seems no one actually knew the person as no parent names and the registration is done with two forenames under the same number.
It is for a Auguste LINDAHL and also under G H LINDAHL reference number 15322/1896.
Neil
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Same thoughts as JM ;D
Sue
Yes, so we are confirming the latest NSW BDM upgraded feature. :)
Yes and the next feature they need to improve in my opinion is the first given name and second given name boxes.
As things work now, entering, for instance, surname plus Elizabeth (first name) Jane (second name),brings up surname plus all Janes (regardless of second initial), all Elizabeths, (regardless of second initial) all Elizabeth J.s and the occasional Elizabeth Jane ::)
However, must not highjack this thread with my complaints ;D
Sue
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Relevant to Don's search I think - I haven't needed to do a "no name" search before and just noticed how many 'V' registrations (baptisms) there are coming up in those later years. I know that I have seen them previously scattered here and there but it is not till you do just a year search that you see just how many there are.
I don't know what a baptism register looks like for that time period; was there a column for birthdate or was it still just hit and miss if they wrote it down and the dates on the index are more likely to be baptism dates?
JM, do we know which churches have been included in the post 1856 online indexes?
Debra :)
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As I understand it, those higher number volumes post vol 121 or thereabouts were added to the ECRs in around 1912, and were therefore part of the index process in the 1930s, but were not allowed to be included in the filming project that included LDS and SAG.
Yes, there's many V series entries post 1856. These are basically brought about by the person attending and seeking their own Birth cert, to then be told "sorry, not available at Reg Gen's office," and then the person offers their own Baptismal certificate, and then Reg Gen requested certified info from that baptismal record. But that is only until the formalities of regulations came about post WWI.
So, in 1912, NSW BDM Reg Gen finally had some funding to get its processes in order. Then WWI saw the administrative officers enlist, or at least become base records clerks. And then post WWI, those returning clerks introduced written regulations (military processes can advantage civil processes, afterall, Gov Macquarie was the first Army governor of NSW and is credited with introducing admin general orders that give us those Early Church Records !).
So, post 1856, those V can be across the board with the denominations.
On this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=660501.0 there's a link to the 1856 NSW census re Religion. So, ranking in order of population:
Church of England
Roman Catholic
Presbyterian
Wesleyan (Methodists)
Other Protestants
Hebrew
Residue (JM suggests this is the "left overs" rather than a separate denomination/faith/religion)
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My elderly rellie (retired BDM senior officer) is on the phone as I type this up. And NSW Reg Gen (BDM and Lands Office) got their first typewriter during WWI. So, everything was longhand on pre-printed forms until then, based on oral answers to oral questions. Elderly rellie's older (now long gone) rellie was also NSW BDM senior officer, (initial employment was 'heritary' as was most of NSW Civil Service until mid 1950s ..... :) )
Cheers, JM
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http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/short-guide-4
(Vol 121 - 123 info, Supplementary Registers)
Cheers, JM
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Re what to expect from baptism record of that post 1856 era....
More incoming phone calls.... (one day they will join RChat, one day !)
"Hit and Miss", but look at C of E, and birthdate often included.
Look at what the C of E registers show, look at NSW Resources at the board.....
Look at Christ Church Cathedral's gift....
I KNOW ;D penny dropping for JM
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BACK NOW
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0
Baptisms, Marriages, Burials, Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606066769147/ 1820 1899 Family Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605008173551/ 1826 1837 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157604433014652/ 1837 1838 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605132739200/ 1839 1861 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605674610949/ 1856 1868 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605785759029/ 1869 1885 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605802132868/ 1885 1897 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606197590347/ 1899 1913 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605928662968/ 1913 1914 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606308436455/ 1914 1916 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606323070651/ 1916 1918 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606450662513/ 1918 1929 Marriage Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606952230042/ 1929 1936 Marriages Register
Cheers, JM (so err.... that takes baptisms to 1861, we want later, we want 1883 :) example ) (JM saving making return STD call !)
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Hello Rootscatters
The date is a speculation. Among my father's photos I came across a formal studio photo of my elusive grandfather which has the date of 12 - 1 - 33 inscribed with a message and his signature "Harry Lindale". He died in 1953 aged 70 so would havew been 50 when the photo was taken. I am unaware of any reason that he would have has such a photo taken, unless of course he was celebrating his half century and was persuaded to have the photo taken by his wife.
Thanks for your helpful suggestions. I will now do some digging
Regards
DonL
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I hope Don does not mind my popping these links here, in case others reading the thread later on can benefit from the side discussion re NSW BDM :)
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/registry-records.aspx
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Documents/BDM-birth-cert-review-2014.pdf
Cheers, JM
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No not at all JM
DonL
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".... has the date of 12 - 1 - 33 inscribed with a message and his signature "Harry Lindale".
What is the message please. What name and address for photographer........can you scan and post please?
Age 70 at death 1953....who is the informant..........do you have an earlier reference for his age eg. birth certificate of a child, preferably originating from Harry himself ?
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".... has the date of 12 - 1 - 33 inscribed with a message and his signature "Harry Lindale".
What is the message please. What name and address for photographer........can you scan and post please?
Age 70 at death 1953....who is the informant..........do you have an earlier reference for his age eg. birth certificate of a child, preferably originating from Harry himself ?"
The message says "Yours sincerely". The studio was Lovell-Smith of Hastings, New Zealand. Hastings. A question arises here - why have his photo taken in Hastings when he lived in Wellington?
It looks like he was sudenly two years younger in his life with his second wife.
All very confusing - no wonder he is a mystery
The informant on my grandfather's death was his wife whom he had a relationship with from about 1924 althugh he did not marry until 1942.
I have the birth certificate of my father and brother and his three sisters- the informant was his mother Rosie. Calculated year of birth is 1881 from the records of three of the siblings and 1882 for one sister.
I do not have the certificate of his daughter from his second relationship - born in 1925, seventeen years before her parents married.
DonL
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This might be interesting to read:
"Harry Lindale sentenced to three months' imprisonment by the Stipendiary Magistrate at Napier in default of payment under maintenance order"
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=24645635
The Napier-Hastings Urban Area is a New Zealand urban area that covers the twin cities of Napier and Hastings.
Perhaps he went back to Hastings for family reasons? (If this is the same man)
Did he have children living there when they grew up?
Was the first wifes surname Easton?
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That is very interesting - I did not know of this. Yes, although his legal Name was Albert Clarence Lindale he was also known as Harry Lindale and Snowy Lindale.
His first wife was Rosie Crundwell, his second wife was Helen Easton. He had an illegitimate child in 1925 from Helen
DonL
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I found that hit with the search term 'Harry Lindale" in Archways
If you put in the search term 'Lindale' and scroll through there are two more hits
*From: H. Lindale, Wellington Date: 27 January 1926 Subject: For reduction of amount of maintenance order against him (do you think this is for the child born in 1925? We can see he was living in Wellington at this date?)
*From: H. Lindale, Gisborne Date: 12 April 1933 Subject: Alleging that payments made by him to Magistrates' Court, Hastings, under Maintenance Order Easton v Lindale, had not been received by complainant (8 years later, ongoing issue? Does this show he was in Gisborne 1933?)
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Is this him using the name "Albert Clarence Lindale" in 1931 living in Newton, Wellington?
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19310226.2.99&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----0%22Albert+Clarence+lindale%22--
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Yes that is my grandfather acting for my father who was involved in bicycle vs car case where dad was injured.
Cheers
Don