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Catherine Bain is my Gg grandmother, married to James Dakers 16/8/1823. She was b about 1798 in
Inverkeillor, according to the census returns, and died in 1848 in Ferryden.
I cannot find any birth or family records for Catherine before her marriage, can anyone help please?
Roger
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Roger, only about a third of BMD events were registered in the Old Parish Registers pre 1855, for all sorts of reasons. There may not be a record to be found unfortunately :-\
Monica
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Monica,
Many thanks, I wasn't aware of that.
Regards
Roger
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Roger, you sometimes get clues to possible grandparents' names, from children's names (re Scottish naming patter, a guide here for example www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm
Do you have the names of the parents of James Daker Snr?
I can see the following children on Family Search for James and Catherine:
James b. 1824
Elizabeth b. 1826
Isabella b. 1828
William b. 1832
David b. 1835
Agnes b. 1843
Maybe more born, a few gaps towards the end in years.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
I don't have any further information for James Snr I'm afraid. You certainly have the right family, just Alexander b 1840 was missing.
I have seen the grave stone of James and Catherine at Rossie Island cemetery, but it doesn't help with any new information.
Regards
Roger
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Roger, guessing this is the family in 1861?
James Dakers 60 coal merchant b. Forfar
David Dakers 25 Seaman b. Ferryden, forfarsh
Isabell Dakers 32 dressmaker b. Ferryden, forfarsh
Agnes Dakers 18 dressmaker b. Ferryden, forfarsh
Address: 8 River St, Montrose
A pedigree file on Family Search on son David here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:STJ6-HSR ...nothing really on parents.
A family tree on a/try here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/76495804/person/38340481412?ssrc= You need a subs on a/try to view. David seems to be the best researched online it seems. Which is your line.
This tree shows father James as having died in 1880, on 6 May. No other details though.Does the headstone at Rossie Island cemetery help in confirming at least James' death date?
Monica
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That date seems to fit with this Will & Testament entry from 1880:
James DAKERS - 26/05/1880 - SHIPOWNER, RIVER STREET, MONTROSE, D. 06/05/1880 AT MONTROSE, TESTATE - FORFAR SHERIFF COURT SC47/40/46
Not sure what type of document it will be (will, inventory etc) as it is not showing. 5 Pages for 10 units on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (£2.33 - £7 for 30 units).
If correct entries, this and his death cert will give you a lot more background info. Not sure how close this line is to yours?
ADDED: OK, James Snr is your gg/grandfather http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=24&p=surnames.dakers You have viewed the will entry by the look of it. The death entry with full details, including his parents' names (if know to informant) will only be availalble to view from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (6 units/ search and view/£1.40 to view online). Have a look at this post from Falkyrn...www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=717988.0
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for all your efforts, they are much appreciated. David is my line also and I am happy with the descendant tree, it is going backwards that has been the block. I have got James Dakers Will and it added a few details that were previously unknown, but nothing going backwards. I had already got the 20 free units from ScotlandsPeople so, following your advice, eventually found James' death certificate entry (it was listed as J Dakers which threw me for a little while) and his father is listed as William Dakers, Ploughman (deceased). No mother is listed. The informant was his grandson John Craigie who would have been 26 years old so possibly didn't know his great grandparents.
So now I must see if I can find anything on this William Dakers.
Regards
Roger
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Hi Roger and Monica,
Interesting you should post up about Dakers around the Montrose area. I've hit multiple brick walls so decided to come forward in time and try and track all the children and spouses of William Jolly and Davidina Thom. On Monday I was looking again at their son Arthur born 1891 who married an Elizabeth Dakers in Toronto in 1915. At that time Elizabeth claimed to be born around 1891 to a James Dakers and a Jessie Anderson - I can see a marriage for this couple at SP in 1886 in Montrose but have not yet downloaded the image. The strange thing is I can't find a birth for Elizabeth or see her in the 1901 census although I think I can see her parents living Craig in 1891. Looks like Jessie is widowed by 1901. Posting this on the off chance you've come across this branch of the family before.
Jen
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Hi Jen,
In the Scottish part of my family tree I have Dakers, Christie and Jolly, which I see you are researching; however, I don't have any cross over with the Jolly or Dakers names you have put forward.
What I have done is found a birth for Elizabeth on the FindMyPast web, as follow spree:
Print transcription Attach to tree
First name(s) Lizzie Smith
Last name Dakers
Gender Female
Birth year 1891
Birth place Craig, Forfar, Scotland
Baptism year -
Baptism date -
Baptism place -
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Dakers
Mother's first name(s) Jessie
Mother's last name Anderson Dakers
Residence Scotland
Place Craig
County Forfarshire (Angus)
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
It's route is http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=r_687171384, but of course you will need a subscription with them to view it.
Regards
Roger
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And another thing!
Transcript of passengers sailing Glasgow to Montreal.
First name(s) JENNIE. (On the actual page this is definitely JESSIE and not as shown)
Last name DAKERS
Title MRS
Gender Female
Age 42
Birth year 1863
Marital status M
Occupation HO KEEPER
Departure year 1905
Departure day 3
Departure month 6
Departure port GLASGOW
Destination port MONTREAL
Destination MONTREAL
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name CORINTHIAN
Ship master's first name THOMAS
Ship master's last name PICKERING
Shipping line ALLAN LINE ROYAL MAIL STEAMERS AND STATE LINE
City GLASGOW
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 14367
Ship registered tonnage 4018
Number of passengers 467
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Regards
Roger
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Jen,
I have just checked my last posting, as well as Jessie on that boat she had 2 children Annie, 21, a weaver and James, 21 a plasterer.
Roger
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Wow, Roger thanks for that I see my mistake at SP was to search for D*K*R - I should have added a star at the end to pick up Dakers! I never even think to look on FindMyPast for Scottish births.
If that's Elizabeth's mom going out to Canada I wonder what happened to all the children, the youngest Jemima would have only been about 8 in 1905. No idea who Annie and James might be?
This is my only connection to the Dakers so more than happy with what you have discovered.
Jen
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Jen,
Have now discounted the emigration people. I found the 1891 and 1901 census reports on FindMyPast and Annie and James don't figure, so I think I was totally wrong on that one. I can't find Elizabeth at all after her birth.
Regards
Roger
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Hmmm...At FindMyPast I've found a Lizzie Dakin age 9 boarding with the Edwards at 10 Panmure Row in Montrose wonder if that's her?
Jen
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Roger - they must have all gone out to Canada! Snips are from Robert Dakers and Arthur Jolly's attestation papers - check out the addresses ;D
Jen
EDIT: Roger, sorry I seem to have highjacked your thread didn't mean to just got carried away with your finds.
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Hi Roger and Jen
Good to see you with a connection to the Dakers too, Jen :)
Roger, some thoughts for you....
Scottish naming pattern is such a useful feature of Scottish research if/when it helps connect dots (even in pencil!) where you have a lack of info on ancestors.
For James and Christina, we have early children as:
James b. 1824
Elizabeth b. 1826
Isabella b. 1828
William b. 1832
David b. 1835
Alexander b. 1840
Agnes b. 1843
I saw that your David named his first (?) born son James Bain Dakers. James after father and wondered whether Catherine Bain, mother's father, may also have been a James Bain?
Elizabeth, possible name for mother to either James or Christina
Isabella, the same
William, now confirmed as James Dakers' father.
The rest, connected family names likely.
There is this entry showing here for a marriage between a William Dakers (Dacres) to an Isobel Scott https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTVP-WY2
Children showing for this couple include:
Alexander 1803 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYJZ-VXD - only father William is named so even lighter pencil...but more on him later.
David 1808 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYJC-NQK
Maxwell 1810 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBH5-XSQ
You look to have FindMyPast rather than A/try. On A/try, there is a family tree here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/68981613/person/36194882518?ssrc= for son Alexander b. 1803. He married a Jane Low in 1825...in Ferryden...where your James and Catherine were living. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTV3-MXW This Alexander looks to have died in 1860, living at the time of his death at George Street, Montrose. Again, your James, widower, lived in Montrose in his later years. Occupation Shore Porter and at the time he died, Inn Keeper.
Re Maxwell Dakers, not much on him except he seems to have married an Agnes Evan in 1834 Forfar. He looks to have died on 8 OCT 1886 in 12 New Road, Forfar, Angus. His children's names similar to all we are seeing.
Monica
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You have a good number of christening entries from the Old Parish Registers that I listed links to above for the children of James and Christina. These will be available to view on Scotlands People as images. You can get clues from christening entries with the names of sponsors. Very often these can be family, helping you again connect some dots.
Monica
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A wee bit more...just working from the census and certificates as the on-line trees were confusing me no end!
Elizabeth Dakers - parents James Dakers and Jessie Anderson married 1886 - from the certificate his parents listed as Alexander Dakers (Seaman) and Helen Smith.
Alexander Dakers dies 1891 age 63 - cert states Seaman Merchant Service married to Helen Smith - parents Alexander Dakers (shore porter) and Jane Low.
Alexander Dakers dies 1860 age 57- cert states Innkeeper, married (no name given >:() - parents William Dakers (agricultural labourer) and Isabel Scott. Son Alexander signs the DC - his address given as Castle Street, Montrose - Helen and the family are living in Castle Street in 1861 - husband Alexander presumably at sea at the time of the census.
Alexander and Jane/Jean Low can be found living Rossie Island in 41 - he's down as shore porter and in 51 he's down as public house keeper.
Now the Betsy Jolly who marries into the Dakers - would that be David and Isabel Stewart's daughter? It's just she's sitting in my pile of Fettercairn Jollys without a hubbie.
Sorry, that should have been their granddaughter, parents James Jolly and Ann Christie.
Jen
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Hi Jen,
Welllllll, James Jolly and Ann Hood Christie are my gg grandparents. Their Betsy Jane married David Dakers in 1867 and their Annabella Christie Dakers married Edward Arthur Parton in Liverpool in 1899 and their 7th child together (Arthur had been married in 1891 and had a daughter but his wife died in 1893) Mabel Parton is my mother.
On the Jolly side I go back to John 1760-1835 m Margaret Young (Abt 1755-?).
Roger
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Hi Jen,
Just read your posting again and realised I hadn't answered the question of which David Dakers Betsy Jane Jolly married: his parents were James Dakers (1799-1880) married to Catherine Bain (1798-1848) in 1828 at Craig. Their headstone is in the cemetery on Rossie Island, Montrose.
Roger
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Thanks Roger I've put David alongside Betsy. You probably have all the available information on John and Margaret's family but PM me if you want a copy of my notes on this family.
Jen
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There is this entry showing here for a marriage between a William Dakers (Dacres) to an Isobel Scott https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTVP-WY2
Children showing for this couple include:
Alexander 1803 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYJZ-VXD - only father William is named so even lighter pencil...but more on him later.
David 1808 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYJC-NQK
Maxwell 1810 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBH5-XSQ
You look to have FindMyPast rather than A/try. On A/try, there is a family tree here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/68981613/person/36194882518?ssrc= for son Alexander b. 1803. He married a Jane Low in 1825...in Ferryden...where your James and Catherine were living. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTV3-MXW This Alexander looks to have died in 1860, living at the time of his death at George Street, Montrose. Again, your James, widower, lived in Montrose in his later years. Occupation Shore Porter and at the time he died, Inn Keeper.
Re Maxwell Dakers, not much on him except he seems to have married an Agnes Evan in 1834 Forfar. He looks to have died on 8 OCT 1886 in 12 New Road, Forfar, Angus. His children's names similar to all we are seeing.
Monica
Roger and Jen, are we therefore in agreement that this family is very likely the family of James Dakers, who married Catherine Bain ::)
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
Well, from the certificates I'm pretty positive the 1803 Alexander (Elizabeth Daker's great grandfather) married to Jean Low is the son of William Dakers and Isabel Scott. I'm presuming, given the DC with his father named and the fact that he was living in spitting distance of Alexander all his life that James is Alexander's brother - but really Roger needs to decide if there's enough evidence....
I now know a good bit about the Dakers plus a bonus - that link back to one of the Kincardineshire Jolly groups. Really stuck on my Jollys hence my interest in the history of all the spouses of William and Davidina's children. I think I must be bordering on the obsessive edge of family history when I know all the grandparents of the spouses ::).
Have not found anything on Catherine Bain - there is a James Bain and family living Inverkeillor in 1841 but he was born in Morayshire so perhaps not of interest.
Jen
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Without definitive documents, all in pencil for sure.
Have also struggled to find anything so far (pencil or otherwise) on Catherine Bain and her family which is frustrating.
Maybe some Bain and Dakers clues from christening entries as mentioned earlier.
Moinca
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From Elizabeth's parents and the naming of their children...middle names that probably don't figure in the hunt for clues, Duncan, Smith, Low - I can't account for MEARNS or MOFFAT. Mearns appears at least twice, Elizabeth's brother and uncle are both Alexander Mearns Dakers.
Jen
Edit - I'm not being clear here if James and Alexander are brothers then Duncan, Smith and Low will only appear in Alexander's side (wife's mother's MS) if Mearns and Moffat appear in the names of children of James then they must be from the Dakers. Won't help with Catherine except she can't be a Mearns or a Moffat!
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I think I must be bordering on the obsessive edge of family history when I know all the grandparents of the spouses ::).
Hmmm. Well, thanks to this thread, I now have the parents of all the spouses, but I'm not going for the grandparents - and I thought I was obsessive :)
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Actually, not all the grandparents as Mabel Jolly went and married a chap who was born in England >:( so I've only got his parents and his paternal grandparents. ;D
Jen
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Hi all, dragging my heals a bit as I have been busy today, but will look into it tomorrow. My first thoughts are that James and Catherine, which is my line are not the same line as Jen has outlined, but I will try to check it out tomorrow.
Roger
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Maybe mom was a Duncan?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYJR-73J
Jen
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Hi All,
Having reviewed, checked and checked again, I tend to agree with Jen that the 1803 Alexander could be the brother of my 1799 James, with parents William and Isabel Scott; however, James' DC shows his father as a 'ploughman', which doesn't really fit in with being a shore porter or innkeeper, so I'm really not sure. I feel another spend with ScotlandsPeople coming on.
Jen, where do you fit in with your Jolly's?. My connection goes back to Fettercairn too via the Betsy Jane Jolly marriage to David Dakers in 1867.
I have James Jolly = Anne Christie, James being the son of David Jolly = Isabella Stuart, with David being the son of John Jolly = Margaret Young. Is this like your research?
Roger
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Hi Roger
Have a look again at post #16...
William Daker and Isabella Scott's son Alexander b. 1803 is the one showing as a shore porter and in later years before his death, as innkeeper. From Alexander's death, in 1860 I think it was, his father William showed as having been an agricultural labourer which is why I thought it fitted well with what showed on your James' details on his death, altough lacking confirmation on his mother's name. Isabel featured in the early naming too of James' children.
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for that, I guess I messed up on that one, swapping between emails and programmes must have given me a senior moment (or two), so i would be more convinced now that Alexander and James were brothers, both the sons of William and Isabella.
Roger
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Same dad different moms? At reply#29 that birth at Familysearch is spot on for age and place of birth - Monikie. Also, James's birth date from the census shows he was born before William and Isabella married in 1801.
My interest - In a vain attempt to discover the background of my much discussed Captain David Jolly (feel free to yawn everyone) I have tried to make sense of all the Jolly's on the 1841 census living Kincardineshire (I have yet to do Angus). Currently, I have 3 Fettercairn, 3 Arbuthnott, 2 Marykirk, 2 Lawrencekirk, 1 Garvock and 1 Fordoun family groups. Your John and Margaret Young (Fettercairn group 1) had a son William born 1794 a bit young for the one I'm looking for but still in the mix until I can eliminate him.
Anyways, Captain Jolly's son William had 10 children - the youngest, Arthur married Elizabeth Dakers. John married Betsy McLennan - her dad was a lighthouse keeper - presumably the one at Scurdie Ness. David (my great grandfather) married into the Johnstons of Edzell who lived next door to the Reverend Inglis, brother to Charlotte Brand whose husband committed suicide in Cork which resulted in my Captain taking over the Countess of Airlie! I'm not making this up - honest!
Jen
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Jen,
I think you may be right in there being a second marriage for William, it would seem that his first marriage could have been to Ann Duncan who died a couple of months after James was born. James was the youngest of 6 kids, with 3 more to Isobel. William and Ann moved around Angus a bit.
Maxwell married Agnes Evans and they had 6 kids also.
Off on holiday now for a while, so searching will take a back seat for the rest if the month.
Regards
Roger
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Enjoy the break Roger.
Had a wee peek at some trees on Ancestry (I must be getting desperate) and there appears to be a number of people who think Robert (him of the accidental drowning in 1898- son of James Jolly and Ann Christie) was married to a Jessie and had six children (that includes three born after 1898 :o).
In fact the Robert Jolly married to the Jessie (Burnett) with the six (soon to become eight) children is the son of Margaret Jolly daughter of the Captain ;).
Jen
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How about this for a string of inaccuracies.
David Allan, born Forfar 14 July 1826,
Married Ann Thom in Montrose on 31 December 1855, parents named as George Allan, linen manufacturer, and Janet Burns.
Stone dyker
Six children, all born in Montrose.
In 1901 census with wife and two sons at 42 Murray Street, Montrose.
Buried in Montrose 5 February 1909, stone dyker, 42 Murray Street, wife Ann Thom, parents George Allan and Jessie Barnes, date of death 1 February 1909
Widow in Montrose in 1911 with same two sons.
Death certificate? Thanks to a bit of sleuthing by SP staff - John Allan, stone dyker, 42 Murray Street, died 1 February 1909, wife Ann Low, parents David Allan, stone dyker, and Ann Grant, informant John Allan, son. I make that six major errors - given name, wife's surname, father's given name, father's occupation, mother's given name, mother's surname.
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Hi Forfarian,
Just re- reading through this post and realised the example you gave is the David Allan married to Davidina's sister! Exceptionally easy to track through the census given they stay put on Murray Street glad I never went seeking his death certificate - maybe son John had been to the pub before registering the death.
Jen
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Yes, it is indeed the same family. Caused me a lot of headscratching before we finally got it.
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Hi all. I'm new to the group so play nice ;)
My Mother is a Dakers. Grew up in Zambia and settled in South Africa.
Her father was John "Ian" Sharpe Dakers married to Jean Lockie Nicol.
Johns father was David Dakers 1868 married to Catherine Cook Sharp. His father David Dakers 1835 married Betsy Jane Jolly. His father James Dakers Married to Catherine Bain and Lastly his father was William and that is also where I end. I do not have birth dates for William.
On the Nicol side I go up to William Lockie Nicol 1885 so not so far. However there is a branch off onto the Black and Coldrey Families.
On the Jolly family I go up to John Jolly 1760 married to Margaret Young 1755.
Lastly my mother Suzanne Catherine Dakers married my father Henry Summers in 1976. I can follow the Summers line up to Thomas Summers 1720. Happy to share my xcel spread if anyone wants to try fill in the dots etc
PS apologies for the mass info if it is not useful :P
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Hi SummersSA
Welcome to RootsChat :)
This the Nicol/Black line you mention? https://ancestors.familysearch.org/G9VL-T8L/william-lockie-nicol-1884-1965
His death index entry states he was born in Edinburgh? www.familysearch.org/tree/sources/viewedit/3Y97-CS2
This looks to be his birth entry on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
WILLIAM LOCKIE NICOL
Mother's maiden name FOWLER
1884
Ref 685 / 2 / 949
St Andrew (Edinburgh)
Likely entry for a brother to William a few years earlier:
John LOCKIE NICOL
Mother's maiden name FOWLER
1881
Ref 685 / 1 / 1898
St George (Edinburgh)
John looks to have died in Canada in 1928. See www.findagrave.com/memorial/194574829/john-lockie-nicol
For John, his birth details:
John Lockie Nicol
Birth 2 Oct 1881 Edinburgh, St. George, Scotland
Father John Nicol
Mother Elizabeth Fowler
There are number of Nicol & Fowler births showing in Edinburgh. All boys:
1870 - Charles
1871 - Thomas
...a gap in the years, then
1880 - James Stewart
1881 - John
1883 - Robert Campbell
1884 - William
1886 - George
Monica
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Parents' marriage in Edinburgh:
John NICOL & Elizabeth FOWLER
1869
685 / 2 / 159
St Andrew (Edinburgh)
You can view the marriage on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It is pay to view but the costs are reasonable. Once you register, free to search. You only need to pay, via credits, to view images from the registers.
Scottish marriage certs include both parents' names for both bride and groom.
Monica
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Some census entries to help establish the family:
1871 Census:
John Nicol 22 Grocer Shopman b. Innerleithen, Peebles
Elizabeth Nicol 24 Wife b. Loanhead Midlothian
Charles Nicol 9 months b. Edinburgh
Address 43a Brunswick St, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
I think this may be John Nicol Snr's birth entry:
John Nicol, born 11 May 1848 at Innerleithen, Peebles. Parents Charles Nicol and Margaret Lockie (the source of the Lockie surname being used as a middle name for some of the sons of John and Elizabeth you would think).
1881 Census:
John Nicol 32 Shopman (Grocer)
Elizabeth Nicol 34
Charles Nicol 10
Thomas Nicol 9
James S Nicol 11 months
Mary Campbell 15 Visitor
John Campbell 31 Lodger
Address: 46 Torphichen St, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
1891 Census
Elizabeth Nicol 44 Head
Thomas Nicol 19 Life Insurance Clerk
James Nicol 10
John Nicol 9
Robert Nicol 8
William Nicol 6
George Nicol 4
Mary Campbell 25 Visitor
Address 7 Gillespie Crest, Newington, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
Monica
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I am wondering if John, father, headed off to SA before some of the family joined him?
This is the 1901 census...and a hard working bunch of young men they turned in to:
Elizabeth Nicol 53 Head
James S Nicol 20 Insurance Clerk
John L Nicol 19 Law Apprentice
Robert C Nicol 18 Mercantile Clerk
William L Nicol 16 Mercantile Apprentice Meter Manufacturer
George Nicol 14
David R Nicol 10 b. Ireland
Address 2 Malta Terrace
There is a window between 1901 and 1904, when William married, when he would have travelled to SA. He was 20 when he married and there is a ref on his marriage reg www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9TWL-9MH9?i=132&cc=1468076 confirming that his father had consented to the marriage due to his age.
Monica
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I am wondering too if Elizabeth and John Snr parted ways after the birth of the boys?
Likely death entry for her in Edinburgh:
ELIZABETH ANN NICOL or FOWLER
Age 58
Mother's maiden name ----- (the informant looks to not know Elizabeth's mother's details possibly)
1906
Ref 685 / 1 / 38
St George (Edinburgh)
The sons seem to have spread round the world:
Thomas married Minnie (Mary) Cowan in Ireland in 1901. He shows in Ireland for 1911 census www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002170073/ He looks to have died in Edinburgh on 20 Jun 1924. His death registration will be available to view on SP. Should let you confirm if his father is showing as alive or deceased by 1924.
Thomas's marriage registration is available to view on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp The site has some tech problems so I can't add link to the marriage so give it a try later.
Apart from son John being in Canada, son George I think also headed off there. He married Marie Petrie in Quebec in 1914 and shows in Montreal on the 1931 Canadian census.
William in SA and you have his details. I wonder if other brothers joined him?
Monica
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Wasn't expecting for John Nicol Snr to die in Australia:
Name Jno Nicol
Death Age 57
Birth Date abt 1849
Death Date Abt 1906
Death Place Hotham, Victoria
Registration Date 1906
Registration Place Australia
Father Nicol Chas
Mother Margt Lockie
Registration Number 1981
Monica
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Hi Monica. Thanks that does appear to be the same Nicol family. There are quite a few with the same names so it starts getting a little confusing when looking at one being in America and another in UK etc. I'm also trying to learn how to use this chat forum for the 1st time. someone has sent me a personal message however I am battling to find a way to reply. Technology..... ???
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Hi Jen,
Welllllll, James Jolly and Ann Hood Christie are my gg grandparents. Their Betsy Jane married David Dakers in 1867 and their Annabella Christie Dakers married Edward Arthur Parton in Liverpool in 1899 and their 7th child together (Arthur had been married in 1891 and had a daughter but his wife died in 1893) Mabel Parton is my mother.
On the Jolly side I go back to John 1760-1835 m Margaret Young (Abt 1755-?).
Roger
Hi Roger
I think that I got a message from you. Forgive me if it wasn't. However I have one message in my messages box and it says that I am at 100% full. I cant seem to find a reply. I have only been on Roots for a few days and I am still trying to figure out my way around the site. with Regards to the Dakers. I have the following:
Isabella? married William Dakers (not 100% certain of this info. no dates siblings etc)
They had a son James Dakers 1799-1880 married to Catherine Bain 1798-1848
There marriage was in 16 august 1823
They had chindren:
- David Dakers 1835-1891 married to Betsy Jane Dakers 1846-1933 (marriage 27 feb 1867)
- James Dakers 1824-1869
- Elizabeth Craig (nee Dakers) 1826
- Isabella Dakers 1828-1894
- William Dakers 1832- 1854
David Dakers Married to Betsy Jane Dakers (Nee Jolly) had childeren:
- David Dakers 1868 married Catherine Cook Dakers (Nee Sharp)
- James Bain Dakers 1869
- Frederick C Dakers 1872
- Annabella C Dakers 1873- 1967
- Edward John William Dakers 1879- 1947
David who Married Catherine Cook Sharp a child (not sure if there were more)
- John "Ian" Sharp Dakers 1916 (My Grandfather)
John "Ian" Sharp Dakers Married Daphne Munger and had a son Gordon Dakers.
John Sharp and Daphne separated and John married my gran Jean Lockie Nicol.
John Sharp and Jean Lockie Nicol had the following children:
- Suzanne Catherine Summers 1952(nee Dakers) (My Mother)
- Heather Dakers 1955
- Louise Le Grange 1962 (Nee Dakers)
Suzanne Dakers Married Henry Charles James Summers (My father)
They have two Children:
- Henry Richard Charles Summers 1981 (myself)
- Katherine Jean Artz (nee Summers)
I have quite a good xcel doc with a diagram showing how the following families are all linked. Bearing in mind some are now my wifes family tree.
- Summers
- Dakers
- Nicol
- Black
- Mac Donald
- Jonck
- Areington
also small links to the following and more
- Lepper
- Copeland
- Jolly
- Jarman
- Bailey
- Boardman
- Grobecker
- Breach
- Spicer
- Sladden
- Tucker
- Grey
- Bowyer
If you would like the xcel I am happy to share. Hopefully I am allowed to do this. Shout if I am breaking the rules in anyway ;D
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Hi Richard, many thanks for the follow up and your pm. I had to resort to a pm to you because I couldn't find a way to post either. I would love a copy of your spreadsheet please, I would like to find the sources of the marriages in your line as I cannot find them at the moment. I will pm you with my email address.
Regards Roger
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Richard, there are some initial restrictions on new members using the Private Message service (PMs). You need to post a couple of times on the main boards to be able to access this service. Sounds like you are there and you and Roger have been able to make contact that way. The PM service is the only way to exchange personal emails and info. This is done to protect people from the misuse of emails etc by spammers.
Anyway, looks like all good now :)
In respect of Thomas and his marriage in Belfast, Ireland in 1901. I mentioned that the Irish BMD site was down for a few days. It is now back up thankfully. This was Thomas's marriage registration https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10315/5755054.pdf
To access the site/image, just add your name and tick box, followed by a tick to the captcha box and you can view and search. In this registration, father John is described as a Merchant by trade. Brother James S Nicol is a witness to Thomas's marriage.
By the look of it, this family were ambitious and felt the need to travel! You will need to look at various sources and countries to follow up. www.familysearch.org is very good for American, SA and other world records...and it is free! Other research sites available on a subscription basis. SP I think you are familiar with? SP will let you research up the line of William's parents.
Remember that RootsChat covers other countries too so you can ask for help of people here on RC who have expertise in researching in those areas. Just try to link posts on the family in new posts so that people here can see what else has been found already and not waste time repeating searches.
Monica