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My mother's first cousin was Herbert Cyril Snook who died aged 61 in Clitheroe, Lancashire in 1956.
He was an Army Officer in 1945 and then became a policeman in Lancashire.
I have a photo of him in uniform - I have not been able to insert the image ::)
His family lived in Blackburn and Clitheroe when he was an Army Officer and up until his death.
Can anyone help me to find out more details?
Muffin41
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Was his wife called Valentine? (And possibly son of a soldier?)
maxD
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There is a probate record for a Herbert Cyril Snook of 1 Whalley Crescent Blackburn died 8 November 1956 administration Lancaster 31 December to Valentine Snook widow
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Marriage Apr-June 1927 Clitheroe Lancashire to Valentine Kelly
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Service medal and award rolls ww1
Herbert C Snook
Corporal awarded British War Medal & Victory Medal
Regiment Household Cavarly and Cavarly of the line
Sub unit Corps of Dragoons
Regiment number 3167
Previous units 3167 1st DNS CPL
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Thank you both for the details :D
Yes maxD, his wife´s Name was Valentine Kelly
Muffin41
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So far then
Probate, marriage and medals from Rosie 17 (and me)
There is part of a WW1 service record for very likely the same Herbert Cyril Snook born in Kingston Jamaica, schooled at the Duke of Yorks Military School (like lots of army brats). Also to be found on 1901 census with soldier father George and his wife Mary at Glen Parva Barracks Leicester. Could well be the same chap - do you need more detailed info?
maxD
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The information about the Military side of the Family is as follows.
Father: George Henry Snook married Mary Sophia Green 26 August 1893 Kingston Jamaica.
In 1895 they were still in Kingston when Herbert Cyril Snook was born 4 Jan 1895 - I have a copy of the birth certificate.
George was a Color Sergeant 3/Leicestershire Regiment, Glen Parva, Leicestershire in 1901.
He died 1q 1905 Blaby 7a 17.
Any other Information about father and son would help me to fill in the gaps. :D
Muffin41
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There is a tree on Ancestry with details of this family maybe yours ?
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That´s my tree rosie17 :)
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Thought It might have been ;D
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Father George was on the permanent staff of 3 Bn Leicestershire Regiment which was a militia unit. This implies that he was one of the regular soldiers, there to instruct. He was with them in South Africa and was awarded the Queen's South Africa medal. I thought it might be worthwhile seeing what regiment he was in in Jamaica as it doesn't appear that the Leicesters were there in the 1890s. May have been a Leicester attached to some other unit or he belonged to another unit. Hopefully more on this later.
Son Herbert may very well have served on through the interwar years. You presumably have seen what remains of his early service record? His commission as 2 Lieut in the Royal West Surrey Regiment from the Royal Dragoons on 30 Oct 1918 is recorded at https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30974/supplement/12665. His records from 1920, are, as you probably know, still with MOD, not available on line.
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Further to my last post. Ken (KM1971), whose expertise in these matters is unparalleled, has confirmed that the 1st Battalion Leicestershire Regiment was in Jamaica 1893-95 which would support my thought that George was a 1st Bn regular soldier at that time, attached later to the 3rd Militia Bn for South Africa and subsequently. "Hanes teulu" has kindly provided me off-line with pointers to newspaper reports regarding the stationing of army units. George's army number was 1304 which suggest he joined up in mid 1885 (thanks to the Army service numbers site).
maxD
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Many thanks again maxD :D :D
You have been able to add some more valuable detail, I had only found that information in the Gazette up to 1920.
I have also that Herbert Cyril Snook was a Bandsman Musician, serving in Muttra, India during 1911. Nothing else known about his Military Service than what is in this topic.
Muffin41 :)
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You are very welcome, I consider it a privilege to be allowed to dig about in someone else's history, particularly when the story is as interesting as the Snooks.
The family should be proud of the these two Snooks, both of whom served the Crown long and well by the look of it. It is a pity that Herbert's records are so damaged but one can piece together a time line from the Duke of York's Military School from 1905 to 1909 when he enlisted at the age of 14 yrs 3 months, into the Royal Dragoons (1st Dragoons), trained at Tidworth as a musician with the Royal Scots Greys then what appears to be unbroken service including war service with the 1st Royal Dragoons until Officer Cadet School (also at Tidworth) in March 1918 before a permanent commission in the Royal West Surreys.
maxD
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Muffin41
An interesting point of detail - is it known what George's wife was doing in Jamaica in 1893? Was she perhaps the daughter or widow of another soldier?
maxD
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MaxD
When my findings are correct then Mary Sophia Green's parents were John GREEN baptised 15 Jun 1836 in Keighley, West Riding of Yorkshire. In 1881 he lived in Oldham, Lancashire with his wife.
Mary A. CLARK Born about 1832 in Keighley, West Riding of Yorkshire.
The earliest date that I have is for their marriage 4q 1861 Keighley 9a 277, John aged about 25.
No Military Record found to date.
EDITED: There were four more daughters who could have married soldiers.
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Thanks to maxD we have found out that Mary Sophia Green's father was William Green.
Muffin41
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Hi,
If he was a Lancashire Policeman might be able to get police records through http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/education/record_office/records/policesearch.asp says only up 1925 but might he have been a policeman before WW2? If not you could contact them saying you are related asking about any records from after WW2.
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No luck with the search, I will contact the Lancashire archives and ask if they can help me further,
Thank you for the link. :D :D
Muffin41