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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: Patzy_C on Wednesday 22 April 15 20:44 BST (UK)
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Hi :D
I have been searching for the birth of my GGrandfather James Callaghan for 9 years now and I refuse to give in but I need help, his birth details must be somewhere out there mustn't they? ???
According to his British Army records he stated he was born in Grean (which I believe is Graine) Urlingford 1873, he went to prison in Cork in 1899 and the prison records contain the same information yet I have searched all possible avenues to my knowledge and still I cannot find his birth.
I would love to be able to send for his birth cert confirming his mother as Bridget Armstrong & father John Callaghan.
The only other thing I have confirming his age is his headstone and the the Irish census.
If anyone could do a look up for my James Id be grateful.
Regards Patzy.
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looking at these they seem very coincidental
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SYVL-8Q4
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Amichael~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Acallaghan~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Abridget~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aarmstrong~&collection_id=1584963
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Hi again & thanks Dathai, we've been in touch before some years ago!
Ok the tree on LDS is my cousins and we have a few conflicting dates :'( anyhow I get frustrated and put my GGrandfather away in my filing draw and every now and then try to relight my fire hoping something new will have appeared haha but no.
I now believe that the 2 children born to Bridget Armstrong & MICHEAL (not James) Callaghan are my GGrandfathers siblings.
I found Bridget's death in 1907 Urlingford so I sent for the certificate which states her daughter Katy/Catherine as witness. Also found Bridget & Katy are living together in the 1901 census Urlingford.
I could send for either Katy or Johns birth cert but Im not sure if Id be wasting my my money, whats your thoughts?
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I presume you have his marriage cert to Margaret Nolan 1900
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYCB-4NY
if you have this does it give his father as John.
He seems to differ by 9 years as to age on the census
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Urlingford/New_Road/1456832/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Urlingford/Urlingford_Town/533297/
i dont see any point in getting John or Catherine's birth cert as you can see their parents names on the above Birth's and Baptism's,the only extra info would be their address.
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If Bridget was genuinely in her eighties in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Urlingford/New_Road/1456841/
she would have been in her fifties in the 1870s not impossible to have given birth to James at that age but highly unlikely.
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There is also the good possibility that Bridget and her husband had more children prior to 1864.
James may not be registered but that doesent particularly mean he was'nt baptised maybe if you could find John and Catherines baptism's on microfilm you could find more and possibly James.
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Also leaving the conflict with the fathers name out of it how did you come across the mother's name as Bridget Armstrong.
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Kate Callaghan married Michael Taylor in 1893
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/f4eead10252311
have you got this marriage cert to compare fathers names.
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last but not least when did he join up could there have been any sort of age restrictions involved causing him to say he was a lot younger so he could join up.
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Hi dathai and thank you for your help & reply, I really am hoping to unravel this mess.
Also leaving the conflict with the fathers name out of it how did you come across the mother's name as Bridget Armstrong.
When I first started my search some years back my family over in Ireland (Im in the UK) told me that my GGGrandmother was Bridget Armstrong.
I presume you have his marriage cert to Margaret Nolan 1900
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYCB-4NY
if you have this does it give his father as John.
He seems to differ by 9 years as to age on the census
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Urlingford/New_Road/1456832/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Urlingford/Urlingford_Town/533297/
i dont see any point in getting John or Catherine's birth cert as you can see their parents names on the above Birth's and Baptism's,the only extra info would be their address.
So today I dug out my paperwork and yes I have the marriage of James Callaghan & Margaret Nolan.
James`s parents are named as John Callaghan & Bridget Armstrong.
As for James on the 1901/11 census I cant help thinking what looks like a 1 is actually 7 making his year of birth again c1873, what do you think?
If Bridget was genuinely in her eighties in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Urlingford/New_Road/1456841/
she would have been in her fifties in the 1870s not impossible to have given birth to James at that age but highly unlikely.
Bridgets age is a pain in the butt, I doubt I`ll ever get to the bottom of it lol.
Kate Callaghan married Michael Taylor in 1893
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/f4eead10252311
have you got this marriage cert to compare fathers names.
Unfortunately I dont have the marriage cert for Katy`s marriage but according to the ifhf her father is Michael not John! Im beginning to wonder if Bridget was married to Michael who may have passed away then took up with John.
last but not least when did he join up could there have been any sort of age restrictions involved causing him to say he was a lot younger so he could join up.
I have James`s records printed off and when he rejoined the British Army in August 1914 it states he was 41yrs and 60 days old. His previous records I cant find as yet but I have his prison records from 1896 when he was jailed, states he was 23. And of course his headstone which gives his age at death as 74 in 1947.
Maybe I will have to wait like many others until 8th July before I get some if any answers when the NLI make parish records digital!!!
Regards Patzy