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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Rollinds on Tuesday 21 April 15 09:09 BST (UK)
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I have always wanted documentary proof before taking information as gospel, however, I have a situation that has me unsure.
I have a George Conyers Parish baptised Waltham Holy Cross 1804 father Edward Parish. He married a Sarah c 1824 which is when their first child, also George Conyers Parish, was baptised.
The only marriage I can find which looks likely is George Conyard Parish to Sarah Jackson 2nd June 1823 St Mary Whitechapel. One of the witnesses was a Catherine Parish - Georges elder sister was a Catherine.
I can not find a baptism for a George Conyard or many Catherines that would have been old enough to be a witness.
I would appreciate any views.
Thanks
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If I have the right family on the 1861 and 1871 censuses, Sarah was born in Parndon, Essex. Have you checked to see if there is a matching Sarah Jackson born there about 1806?
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I have just found scan of the marriage record. It looks like George has made his mark, there is a faint X by his name and the handwriting is the same as in the main part of the record. Sarah has signed her name and so have both witnesses. As they were married in a church some way from where they lived and the groom was illiterate, I wouldn't worry too much about a slight mis-spelling of his middle name. As Sarah would be under age and George possibly as well, maybe the distant wedding venue was to get round lack of parental consent.
Another idea, if Catherine married, you could compare her signature as witness with the one on her own marriage record.
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There are banns between Catharine Parrish and John Morris (her name spelt exactly as she signed on George's marriage record) read in St Mary Whitechapel, late Jan to early Feb 1828. Marriage in Chingford on 25th May, only a transcript on Ancestry no image. I think I have found the couple on 1851 census, Catharine born Waltham Abbey, so looks as if it is the sister.
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Maybe this is what you're looking for?
Sarah JACKSON born May 1805, Christened 23 June 1805 GtParndon
she was the daughter of Thomas & Mary Jackson
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Well done
Another bit of evidence in favour of the 1923 marriage being the right one.
Hopefully this Sarah didn't die a spinster or marry someone else.
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Just checked 1851 census again, the two youngest sons, Alfred and Daniel were born after civil registration started, so getting one of their birth certs should give mother's maiden name.
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Thank you for this help. Sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees. I had completely overlooked the fact that the elder children were born after registration. The baptism of Sarah Jackson in Great Parndon makes the marriage more likely. I will send for a baptism then sit back and wait.
Thank you again it really is great to be able to bounce an idea off those who know more. :)
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At the marriage of John Morris and Catherine Parish, they were both single, Catherine made a mark. Witnesses were George Parish and Mary Jackson.
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The witnesses's names make it likely that it's the same Catharine. Strange she should sign as a witness to her brother's marriage and just make her mark on her own. Maybe overcome with nerves!
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I have just become aware of the marriage of George Conyers Parrish to Sarah Burrell 2.12.1794 Epping. IGI had it shown as George Conyers m. Sarah Burrell.
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His full name was George Conyers Copped Hall Parish
Both single and of the parish
Witnesses
John Parrish
Sophia Parrish
All Saints, Epping
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I have just become aware of the marriage of George Conyers Parrish to Sarah Burrell 2.12.1794 Epping. IGI had it shown as George Conyers m. Sarah Burrell.
That marriage would be a generation earlier, but with similar name and location, likely to be part of same family.
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I'm only a few years late to the party so wonder if anyone will see this, but I've been struggling with this too.
The Conyers of Copt Hall seem from Wikipedia to have been Cambridge educated landed gentry so it seems unlikely that they are immediate forebears of an illiterate agricultural labourer.
My first thought was that Conyers would be a mother's or grandmother's maiden name but I can't find anything. Now I'm wondering if the first George Conyers Parish could have been named that was because he was an illegitimate son of one of the Conyers from the big house.
Anyone think that likely?
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If the first George Conyers Parish married in 1794, it is likely he was born in early 1770's. Of course it is always possible he was the illegitimate son of one of the Conyers family. Or one or both of the parents worked for the Conyers family and they honoured their employer when they named their son.
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"First" George Conyers Parish was baptised in Epping on 28 Oct 1773 s/o Gilbert Parish and Mary.
2nd one was baptised in Waltham Holy Cross on 15 Jan 1804 s/o Edward and Ann.
birth reg of Daniel Par(r)ish s/o GCP II and Sarah confirms mmn Jackson (GRO site)
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Looking at Freereg transcription, the abode of Gilbert Parish on GCP I baptism record was Copped Hall, so does sound like he might be an employee of the Conyers
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There is a marriage of a William Parish in Epping to Elizabeth Spradbury on 22 Oct 1777. It says the grooms father was Gilbert, a yeoman. Unusual for fathers of couple to be mentioned at this time, but I have seen it occasionally for gentry / nobility. Possibly to make things clear for inheritance or to avoid confusion with others with the same name. So if Gilbert was a yeoman and lived at Copped / Copt Hall maybe he farmed land ultimately owned by the Conyers.
There is a marriage of a Gilbert Parish to Mary Westwood in Great Parndon on 13 Dec 1758, he was a widower. This might fit with Gilbert having a son William who was obviously much older than GCP I.
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I think the first marriage of Gilbert was a clandestine one in London in 1750 to Elizabeth Ricket. On both marriages he was recorded as being of Netteswell. - a small parish now engulfed by Harlow new town.
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Elizabeth Parish wife of Gilbert buried on 03 May 1757 at Great Parndon. There is also a William baptised in GP s/o Gilbert and Elizabeth on 3 March 1757. So it's all fitting nicely.
Gilbert and his second wife Mary have some children baptised in GP, last being Susanna in 1771. Then they pop up in Epping to baptise GCP I in 1773. Maybe Mr Conyers was very generous to Gilbert - giving him the opportunity to become a yeoman - a step up in the world.
Still not sure how GCP II of Waltham Holy Cross fits in, though. Might be grandson GCP I, but haven't found a son Edward yet.
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Edward Par(r)ish and Ann Pegram married at Waltham HC on 08 Oct 1800
They appear to have had an illegitimate son also Edward baptised in North Weald in 1799.
Both Edward Parishes are on 1851 census. Edward snr was born in Epping about 1781. He is son of Gilbert and Mary - spelt Parrish, so couldn't find it earlier, bapt Epping All Saints (which I think is actually in Epping Upland) on 16 Nov 1780.
So that confirms GCP II is grandson GCP I