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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: scottishmist on Monday 20 April 15 16:20 BST (UK)
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Hi all
need some help with a death cert was Catherine married or not .........on her death cert is Mclean and her father name is morrison and mother name is Macdonald as I thought ..but said on her death cert she is single informat is her nephew Donald Morrison
or do I have the wrong Catherine
Thanks Jan
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1861 census has Catherine Morrison age 90, formerly ag lab, in South Boidsale, SouthUist, living with her daughter and son-in-law, John and Mary McLellan and born South Uist.
1851 census has Catherine McLean age 80 born South Uist as a pauper formerly seamstress, a visitor with the MacIsaac family in South Uist.
In Scotland it was not uncommon for women to revert to using their maiden name when widowed. So it looks as though Catherine was born Morrison and then married a McLean. As for her death certificate - her nephew couldn't read or write so couldn't check whether the death cert was accurate. If the registrar has asked "was she married?", nephew may have said no meaning she was a widow, but the registrar took it to mean never married.
It's a possibility. But you'd need to try and find a marriage record, plus baptisms of her children.
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Reading the clip you have used I would take it as Catherine Morrison or McLean (mothers maiden name MacDonald) - which would appear to indicate that she was married or was using the name Mclean for some reason (possible irregular marriage ?)
Unfortunately the information on a death registration is only as good as the informants knowledge of the deceased. It's possible that her nephew only knew her as unmarried whether through widowhood or whether it was from an irregular marriage will require further investigation. (or he got it wrong)
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South Uist was mainly Catholic & given that her surname at death was different from her maiden name then it would seem she would have been married although widowed ???
Did you notice if the informants name was entered as "his mark" with a "X" which would indicate he was illiterate?
There are no records that far back for Uist unfortunately.
Do you have names for her kids please with circa dates of birth & do you have them on any census & if so which area ???
Anne Marie
ADDED.............What was father of kids name please ?
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Good morning
I have the son death cert Alexander Mclean1862 age 56 so born about 1806 father John Mclean i think the father has died hard to make out
Mother Catherine Mclean ms Morrison and is still alive
lived at Dunan strath
Thanks Jan
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Do you have Catherine & John on any census & if so where were they living please & do you know if they had any other kids?
Anne Marie
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Where was son Alexander born?
Anne Marie
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Hi ammack
I don't have John & Catherine on any census and only have the son Alexander born about 1806 going with his age on his death cert I am not sure where he was born but he died at Dunan Strath Inverness Shire Scotland
and he was a shepherd
Jan
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You need to try to find Alexander on census records as it may give a distinct area of birth.
Ideally, finding John's death cert. would be good.
On Catherine's death cert beneath the date what area is given please.
Anne Marie
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From what is says of Catherine in the 1851 and 1861 census (see my post above) it looks like her husband died before official registration began in 1855. Catherine's death cert can be read by clicking the link in scottishmisty's original post - she died at the same place as she was living in the 1861 census: Boisdale, South Uist, where she lived with her married daughter Mary. Her daughter Mary was born in South Uist, according to the census.
Catherine and her husband therefore had at least two children, Alexander and Mary. Definitely worth looking for their death certs on ScotlandsPeople to see what it says about their father.
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Can you give a yr of birth for Mary please & who she married please ???
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Can you give a yr of birth for Mary please & who she married please ???
Hi I only have Alexander info I didn't know about Mary till I started this post .... a other family to look into .
On her death cert is has Boisdale South Uist
Jan
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ammack: I was the one who looked up the census information, not scottishmisty who started the thread. You can find out about Catherine's daughter by looking up the census.
The 1861 census has:
South Boisdale Mr McLellan's, South Uist
John McLellan farmer of 21 acres age 49, born South Uist
Mary McLellan wife age 40, born South Uist
Catherine McLellan farmer daughter age not transcribed or entered, born South Uist
Margaret McLellan farmer daughter age 17, born South Uist
Donald McLellan scholar age 14, born South Uist
Catherine McLellan scholar age 14, born South Uist
Malcolm McLellan scholar age 9, born South Uist
Catherine Morrison formerly ag lab age 90, mother in law, born South Uist
A bit odd that there are two daughters called Catherine - could be an error, but I'm only going from the transcription of Ancestry. Be worth looking at the original on ScotlandsPeople.
So according to that, Catherine had a daughter Mary born in about 1821 at South Uist who married John McLellan.
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Hi JM,
I'm not disputing who looked up census, just wanted the info. rather than going over something already investigated in the little time I have at the moment ::)
The norm would be to share our finds not keep them secret ???
Thankyou, now I can look up what I want to now that I have a little time :P
Anne Marie
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The 1861 census has:
South Boisdale Mr McLellan's, South Uist
John McLellan farmer of 21 acres age 49, born South Uist
Mary McLellan wife age 40, born South Uist
Catherine McLellan farmer daughter age not transcribed or entered, born South Uist
Margaret McLellan farmer daughter age 17, born South Uist
Donald McLellan scholar age 14, born South Uist
Catherine McLellan scholar age 14, born South Uist
Malcolm McLellan scholar age 9, born South Uist
Catherine Morrison formerly ag lab age 90, mother in law, born South Uist
That is the wrong couple. That couple in the 1861 census are John MacLellan & Mary Walker who were married 4 Feb 1840.
Boisdale & South Boisdale are 2 separate townships within the Boisdale registration district too.
Anne Marie
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Misty,
Is it possible to list the names of Alexander's kids please to see if there is a pattern to locate other family members ???
There may well have been a big mistake with Catherine's maiden name (not uncommon) as the 1861 census is a good fit otherwise :-\
Anne Marie
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Misty,
Where was Alexander in 1841/51/61 etc........ who & where did he marry.................do you have his marriage cert. ?
A M
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Hi all
I don,t have Alexander Birth or Marriage cert just his death cert ....... He married a Mary Cameron about 1835
and had 7 children John, Mary (twins) Ann,Janet,Catherine,Janet,Flora,James.
I only have one census 1851 and he is living Dunan and said he was born in strath Inverness- shire
Jan
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Misty,
Do you have rough yrs of birth for Alexander's kids please ???
This is "Strath" area http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/16960
I can't figure if Catherine in South Uist could be your relation ???
Do you have anything to link her to South Uist apart from that death cert. which may not be correct ???
Sorry if I sound negative but I can see no reason for her to move from Strath to South Uist without proof of a connection there ???
Anne Marie
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Good morning Anne Marie
I am still trying to work it out ....... maybe Alexander moved from south Uist to strath ....... I will need to find more census for Alexander and his marriage or birth certs
Thanks Anne Marie,JMStrachan for all your help
cheers Jan
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1851 census has Catherine McLean age 80 born South Uist as a pauper formerly seamstress
1861 census has Catherine Morrison age 90, formerly ag lab, in South Boidsale, SouthUist,
JM,
I think those are 2 different people ???
A M
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maybe Alexander moved from south Uist to strath ....... I will need to find more census for Alexander and his marriage or birth certs
Jan,
This doesn't add up with this post................He married a Mary Cameron about 1835
and had 7 children John, Mary (twins) Ann,Janet,Catherine,Janet,Flora,James.
I only have one census 1851 and he is living Dunan and said he was born in strath Inverness- shire
Can you post an image of where parent's names are on Alexander's death cert. please so we can see if his father was alive or deceased at the time as you said it was hard to read :-\
Anne Marie
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Hi Ann Marie
Attach Alexander Death cert
Cheers Jan
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Ok Father was deceased but may have died 1855 - 1862.
Catherine still alive 1862 so you need to find her on subsequent census' to establish a time frame for her death which would be from 1862 onward until she disappears from census records.
Once you have established a time frame.........search with forename blank & surname MacLean with soundex as she may be recorded as Katy etc. instead of Catherine & take things from there.
You need to search in Skye as Dunan is a parish on Isle of Skye :P
Hope this throws up something for you ???
Anne Marie
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Hi Misty,
Catherine MacLean (m/s Morrison) widow of John MacLean died 19 Dec 1862, age 94yrs (b c1768), at Strolamas, Strath, Skye, Inverness
Death registered by Margaret Grant (daughter) :P
Catherine's parents were Norman Morrison & Mary MacKinnon
Anne Marie
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Probable relatives:
Year Surname/Maiden Name Forename Mother's Surname Other Surnames
1864 MACLEAN ANN GRANT MACINNES F 48 STRATH /INVERNESS 119/00 0023
1863 MACLEAN JOHN MORRISON M 56 STRATH /INVERNESS 119/00 0019
1858 MACLEAN MARY MACKINNON F 61 STRATH /INVERNESS 119/00 0024
1857 MCLEAN ANN MACKINNON GRANT F 92 STRATH /INVERNESS 119/00 0043
Anne Marie
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Good Morning Anne Marie
Thanks for the names have to look into the names........ still trying to find more census for Alexander Maclean
Cheers Jan
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I wish I had more time as there are a few variations for the spelling. (Mac/Mc) Lean/Lain/Laine & possibly more ???
Anne Marie
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Hi Anne Marie
Thanks for all your help I will try and find more about Alexander and hoping some doc will link him to Catherine Morrison ( I am sure I have the right one just need something more to be sure)
Cheers Jan