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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Memm on Sunday 19 April 15 18:28 BST (UK)
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Acording to my grandfathers marriage certificate she is his mother and his father was stephen quinn, both deceased by the time the wedding happened in 1952.
So I ordered their sons (my grandfather) birth certificate but the father has a line through it, making me think he was illegitimate.
I don't know if my grandfather is still alive, he left the marriage in 1954 when my dad was born. His mum left him when he was 7 so we know nothing about this side of the family.
Anyway after doing a bit of digging, I have found Elizabeth Quinn nee crouse had 3 children born in Sunderland in 1914, 1921 (my grandfather) and 1934. But that is it.
I cannot find a marriage anywhere Between Elizabeth and Stephen or even birth and death records for these people.
What's my next step please?
Any help is most welcome.
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I wonder if it is this Stephen. He marries in 1901 and his wife dies in 1909. He could be forgiven for not wanting to remarry :-\
Birth March qtr 1878
Stephen Quinn
Sunderland 10a 649
Marriage December qtr 1901
Stephen Quinn
Elizabeth Jane Calvert
Sunderland 10a 1042
His wife dies
Death March qtr 1909
Elizabeth Jane Quinn age 22 ::) maybe not
Sunderland 10a 411
Death September qtr 1939
Stephen Quinn age 60
Sunderland 10a 688
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In addition to the Quinn/Crouse births there are Quinn/Cruce births in Sunderland in 1917 & 1923.
There's also a Quinn/Crouce birth there in 1929.
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There is a marriage 1913 Sunderland for a Matthew Quinn and Elizabeth Cruse ?
Could he have gone under a different first name?
Cathy
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Just about to post that one :)
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Found this birth
Elizabeth Cruse
1890 Jul-Aug-Sep
Sunderland 10a/674
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there is a Matthew Quinn and Thomas Calvert connection in 1911....hmmm
Cathy
...but too young and single.
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Possible in 1901
Rg13/4720 126/14
2, Bank St, Sunderland
Michael Crouse head mar 53 Labourer
Mary " wife mar 37
Eliz " dau 11
Ellen " dau 11
May " dau 9
Jane " dau 6
Catherine " dau 1
All born Sunderland
From Family Search
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aeliz~%20%2Bsurname%3Acrouse~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Asunderland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1890-1890~
Cathy
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Rosie, that's such a nice suggestion him not wanting to remarry but wouldn't it of been frowned upon having children and not been married? Unless they lied and said they were.
Cathy, there certainly is some connection between the records you have found.
So Stephen could of been his uncle, going off some records? My grandfather (patrick) must of thought very highly of this Stephen as he called his son Stephen (my dad) also.
Where would I find merchant seaman records as that is the occupation of Stephen Quinn, I have looked on ancestry but nothing comes up (year wise) for Stephen?
Thank you for all your help.
Emma
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Rosie, that's such a nice suggestion him not wanting to remarry but wouldn't it of been frowned upon having children and not been married? Unless they lied and said they were.
Emma, I doubt it would have been frowned upon. If it is them they probably just pretended they were married. I have an unmarried couple in my tree around this time. It needs further investigation though as the death I found would make her very young when she married
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So I ordered their sons (my grandfather) birth certificate but the father has a line through it, making me think he was illegitimate.
Does it name the mother as Elizabeth Quinn, formerly Crouse?
It's odd that the father is not named, if they were holding themselves out as married - but it does bring up the possibility that she'd been married to a Mr Quinn but that the child's natural father was someone other than him.
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I don't know if my grandfather is still alive, he left the marriage in 1954 when my dad was born.
There's a possible remarriage for him in Sunderland in 1956 which you may want to have a look at.
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It won't let me attach the bc and mc.
The Bc says Elizabeth Quinn formally Crouse (no occupation). E quinn mother 3 New Grey Street Sunderland
I will take a look at that marriage. Thanks
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Findmypast have Merchant Seaman cards, there is a Stephen Quinn born 1877 Kinsale, Cork.There is nt much more info on the image but there is a photo.
Noot sure where your Stephen may have been born or when but looks to be the only one in the right timeframe.
Cathy