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Looking for descendants of Alexander Fleming married to Mary Frazer 1821 Banbridge. Children: William, Alexander (who went to US) Isabella and Mary Ann.
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Hi,
A possibility. 8 Jun 1849 Isabella Fleming married James McCormick in Scarva St. Presbyterian Church, Banbridge. The fathers' names were Alexander Fleming and George McCormick.
Regards
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Thank you, I have that record and also a marriage between Alexander Fleming and Mary Frazer 1821, what I don't have is either Alexander or Mary's death or where they are buried.
Margaret
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The GRONI website has the death of a Mary Fleming on 29 November 1882 aged 84 registered in Banbridge. A possibility.
Civil registration of deaths began in Ireland in 1864. I had a quick look for Alexander from that year without finding him.
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Hi,
The Griffiths Valuation for Banbridge, dated 1863, shows an Alexander Fleming renting a house, outbuildings, yard and a small garden in Rathfryland Street in Banbridge. The Valuation Revision books may give an indication when he left these premises - possibly when he died.
Regards
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Hi,
I have checked the Revision Books and they show that the tenancy had changed by 1870.
Regards
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Thank you for your help, the Mary Fleming you have found is about the right age as she was married 1821, so that would mean her birth would be about 1798. I have an Isabella Fleming who married James McCormick 1849 (direct ancestors) they give their address as Ballydorn, I presume that is a village/township of Banbridge. How could I find where she is buried as there is a good possibility that Alexander is interred there as well. The 1901 Census Doughery Banbridge had a William 82, his family and also his sister May Ann 75, they both died in 1905, (on Ancestry UK) I have found them to be siblings of Isabella Fleming children of Alexander and Mary. Another son Alexander died in US 1906.
Regards
Margaret
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Ballydorn is a townland in the parish of Killinchy probably about 25 miles from Banbridge. There is a lot of information about County Down on the Ros Davies site including including plenty of entries for Flemings. You can also see the location of Ballydorn right on the shores of Strangford Lough.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/index.html
A newspaper search for a death notice is one possibility for finding the burial place of Mary Fleming in 1882.
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Does this earlier record interest anybody
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/seapatrick-parish.php#.VTFUc0uDoYV
Fleming, George Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828
Fleming, William Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828
Flemming, Alex. Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828
Flemming, George Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828
Flemming, William Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828
Fraizor, Widow Townland: Ballyvally Year: 1828
Fraizor, William Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828
Frazior, John Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828
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Duplicated apologies
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These dates are very welcome, I now live in Australia and Alexander Fleming would have been the greatx2 grandfather of my late husband. Interesting the spelling of Frazier as that was on one of the documents I obtained, but further documents had deleted the "i" Frazer. Thank you for this information. Information from US detailed the son Alexander Fleming who died 1906 gave his parents names, so that was a bonus, GRONI information Isabella died 1904, William and Mary Anne died 1905
Regards
Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
I looked for tombstones and found on www.ancestryireland.com
a. FLEMING Ballydown Pres Seapatrick Ballydown
Ros Davies ‘Churches’ gives surviving records as baptismal records from 1804 & marriage records from 1845, graveyard attached , oldest stone is 1825; gravestone inscriptions UHF Vol 20; email me for a gravestone lookup.
b. FLEMING Scarva St. Pres Seapatrick Ballyvally Down
Ros Davies ‘Churches’ gives surviving records as baptism registers from 1851 & marriage register from 1845; graveyard behind 2nd Presbyterian Church in Ballyvally townland; gravestone inscriptions available UHF Vol 20; email me Ros Davies for a gravestone lookup
Have you exhausted these church records [By the way Ros lives in Australia, if she can do….
I looked at Ballydorn at Killinchy on Ros Davies Co Down website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/BallyAG.htm#Ballyd Which reads
‘Ballydorn Ballydoran Ballydown Killinchy 21: 51/63 a townland 2km NE of Killinchy; 355 acres........’
& applied those variant spellings to her entry for
Ballydown Seapatrick 20: 14/45 a townland 2km SE of Banbridge; 746 acres;.......
I see it was spelt Belidonn in 1712 Ir. Wills Index 1 http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=11715
Has anyone experienced an alternative spelling for Ballydown appearing as Ballydorn in Banbridge area? Your record might still mean Seapatrick not Killinchy
Trying to keep records of all Fleming in the area until proven as non relatives I went back to Griffiths for 1863 and found in Seapatrick Co Down and ran out of time filling in details
Fleming Alexander Rathfryland Street, Banbridge with map ref 51 47
Fleming Eliza Friar's Lane, off Scarva s St Banbridge with map ref 129 31
Fleming George Ballydown has 16 perches with map ref 15
Fleming Isabella Ballymoney has 30 perches inc house and garden house valued £1.5 shillings with map ref 1
Fleming John Reilly Street,Banbridge with map ref 51 47
Fleming Mary Ballydown has 6 acres with map ref 15
Fleming William Ballydown house has 5 acres with map ref 17
Keep going the picture is filling up JimG
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Hi
I grew up in Banbridge in 1950/60s and fairly certain I remember a Fleming's shop in Newry St. Might be worth a letter to the two Banbridge newspapers - Chronicle and Leader, to see if any of the family still around
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Thank you for your reply, but I have found a direct descendant of the Flemings I am looking for (from Ballydorn) and between us we have shared and gathered more information that each other has. We can go back to a definite church marriage 1821 and a possible marriage 1788, it has been good to fill in gaps.
Mgt