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Her mam's name was Mary Ann(e) Lynch born around the mid 1880s and her dad's name was George Earle born in Ireland, possibly Ulster, again around the mid 1880s.
If anyone can help to make some progress with this I'd be very grateful. :)
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Hi not very sure on what you are looking for but there is an army record for a George Earle b 1890 married to a Mary Anne Lynch in 1911 at Liverpool one child mentioned George Earle b 1915 Liverpool maybe the same couple
Address St Lawrence Street Liverpool
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Hello,
There are two Elizabeths born 1922.
The one you refer to is this one:
Elizabeth Earle Mother: Lynch
September quarter 1922 Liverpool Vol. 8b page 21
Heywood
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rosie17, the bottom line is that I'm looking for anything. It's for the daughter of Elizabeth who has neither the time nor the wherewithal to do this herself at the moment.
The army record looks good however I have no mention of a son called George. He may have died young of course. There were Christine, John, Margaret, Teresa and Mary siblings to Elizabeth. I have no dates for any of them sadly.
Thanks too, to heywood. That looks about right. :)
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A simple check on FreeBMD shows the following Earle births, with Mother's maiden name of Lynch:
Sep qtr 1915 George
Dec qtr 1917 Mary
Mar qtr 1920 John
Sep qtr 1922 Elizabeth
Mar qtr 1925 Christina
Sep qtr 1927 Margaret
Sep qtr 1930 Theresa All in Liverpool district
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Whey hey! Thanks so much for that. :)
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Hi William,
I posted the birth info as a caution if looking for a marriage and death for Elizabeth as there could be the two.
However, you seem to have that information, so are you looking back in the family? Did she keep in contact with her siblings or are you casting the net wider to look at their lives?
It is best to post what you already know - perhaps you have already :)
Heywood
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Free BMD marriage
September quarter 1912 Liverpool vol 8b pg 225
George Earle and Mary A Lynch
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heywood, I have had it confirmed about the street they lived in and we have the siblings now so that's great.
Yes basically I'm trying to get a start on the family tree for her and this part is all she has on her mam. Her dad's side is as follows : John Croker b. 2.6.23 in Liverpool. father's name Walter, mother's name Mary both born in Liverpool I think. That's all I have on his side. :-(
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When George enlisted in 1915, he gave his age as 25 yrs.
His occupation was Motor works.
His address was 6 house, 5 Court, Lawrence Street and said he was married 1911 but the records show 1912.
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Again from FreeBMD:
Birth, September qtr 1923
Liverpool district vol 8b, page 15
Croker, John Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Marriage, September qtr 1913
Liverpool district vol 8b, page 161
Croker, Walter P
Murphy, Mary
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That's fantastic heywood. She'll love all of this. :)
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Again from FreeBMD:
Birth, September qtr 1923
Liverpool district vol 8b, page 15
Croker, John Mother's maiden name: Murphy
Marriage, September qtr 1913
Liverpool district vol 8b, page 161
Croker, Walter P
Murphy, Mary
Yes, that's them. Murphy was right. :) Cheers.
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You can, of course, use FreeBMD yourself! It's free!! ;D
Possible siblings of John?
Sep qtr 1914 Josephine
Sep qtr 1914 Peter
Mar qtr 1920 Walter
Dec qtr 1926 Christopher
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Well, I know it's just the time......
I'll tell you what, do you or anyone know where George Earle was born?
Then I'll stop pestering you. :)
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Thanks for the siblings btw. :)
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I think the lady will have to buy the marriage certificate to look for George's father's name.
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When George enlisted in 1915, he gave his age as 25 yrs.
His occupation was Motor works.
His address was 6 house, 5 Court, Lawrence Street and said he was married 1911 but the records show 1912.
Can you check to see whether George had a middle name? The National Archives are a great mystery to me I'm afraid. :-[
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Well quite, there's nowt for nowt anymore.
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Well, I know it's just the time......
I'll tell you what, do you or anyone know where George Earle was born?
Then I'll stop pestering you. :)
There's this possibility?
June qtr 1890
West Derby district (Liverpool) vol 8b, page 414
Earle, George
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Thanks for that. :) I've had a look myself and........ We'll see.
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Her mam's name was Mary Ann(e) Lynch born around the mid 1880s and her dad's name was George Earle born in Ireland, possibly Ulster, again around the mid 1880s.
If anyone can help to make some progress with this I'd be very grateful. :)
If George was born Ulster, it is no use our searching in Liverpool or West Derby is it ???
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Her mam's name was Mary Ann(e) Lynch born around the mid 1880s and her dad's name was George Earle born in Ireland, possibly Ulster, again around the mid 1880s.
If anyone can help to make some progress with this I'd be very grateful. :)
If George was born Ulster, it is no use our searching in Liverpool or West Derby is it ???
It just seemed a coincidence to find a birth f the right name, at about the right time, in Liverpool?
As I said, it's just a possibility! ;D
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was George born 24th dec 1890 ?...does your friend know when his birthday was ? if it was xmas eve I am sure they would remember that
there is a birth for George Earle b 24th dec 1890 - baptised 11th Jan 1891 at St Columba church
if you think it may be him I can post the record
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I think the lady will have to buy the marriage certificate to look for George's father's name.
Agree with Heywood about the marriage certificate ...There is a tree with a marriage date for a Mary Ann Lynch to a George Earle 17/8/1912 St Anthony Church .Scotland Road Liverpool
Her date of birth is 22/8/1887 Liverpool father John Lynch mother Mary McKenna
No other mention of George Earle where he was born just a father William
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As you said you had no mention of a George Earle born 1915 perhaps he died young there is a burial record for a George Earle birth year 1915 ..burial date 11/10/1918 age 3 at Ford Cemetery Lancashire ( Catholic Burials ) ...A George Earle birth year 1889 burial date 30/4/1953 age 64 Ford Cemetery ...A few other Mary Ann's if you knew the death year
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I have also seen the baptism of a Mary Ann Lynch and siblings with mother Mary McKenna and she is in censuses.
One thing that is a bit of a puzzle, is that with a marriage in 1912, you would expect a child before young George.
I have seen a George Earle born 1890, who is a waiter on ships 1910-1912. Those are the only records but if he was at sea after marriage, that might be a reason. :)
By various searches, I think I can connect him with a family and he would be born Liverpool.
However, that would be contradictory to the first post re Ulster!
Additionally we are unable to post 1911 information - other than the indexes.
Just reread your post rosie17 and the above info re the waiter, doesn't fit with a father William :-\
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Her mam's name was Mary Ann(e) Lynch born around the mid 1880s and her dad's name was George Earle born in Ireland, possibly Ulster, again around the mid 1880s.
If anyone can help to make some progress with this I'd be very grateful. :)
If George was born Ulster, it is no use our searching in Liverpool or West Derby is it ???
It just seemed a coincidence to find a birth f the right name, at about the right time, in Liverpool?
As I said, it's just a possibility! ;D
Oh I agree. It just dawned on me that William hadn't corrected us - so where does the Ulster info come from? Is it reliable?
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Sorry folks, affairs of state and all that. I've tried to contact Linda, whose tree it is but nothing yet. I will let you know where Ulster comes in to it all as soon as I can.
Thanks again, for all your efforts. :)
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Reached Linda who says that she "believes" George was from Ulster but that's all. Her sister told her once. :-\
I have put some questions to her and will get back to you as and when.....
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OK, she thinks he died in 1952 and is buried in Ford Cemetery, Liverpool.
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As you said you had no mention of a George Earle born 1915 perhaps he died young there is a burial record for a George Earle birth year 1915 ..burial date 11/10/1918 age 3 at Ford Cemetery Lancashire ( Catholic Burials ) ...A George Earle birth year 1889 burial date 30/4/1953 age 64 Ford Cemetery ...A few other Mary Ann's if you knew the death year
That has to be him hasn't it? Buried 30.4.53 in Ford Cemetery? It must be. :)
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I have also seen the baptism of a Mary Ann Lynch and siblings with mother Mary McKenna and she is in censuses.
One thing that is a bit of a puzzle, is that with a marriage in 1912, you would expect a child before young George.
I have seen a George Earle born 1890, who is a waiter on ships 1910-1912. Those are the only records but if he was at sea after marriage, that might be a reason. :)
By various searches, I think I can connect him with a family and he would be born Liverpool.
However, that would be contradictory to the first post re Ulster!
Additionally we are unable to post 1911 information - other than the indexes.
Just reread your post rosie17 and the above info re the waiter, doesn't fit with a father William :-\
No info yet on whether he was ever at sea. Like I say, Linda only thinks he was born in Ulster. It may have been his father or whatever..... The whole thing may be a red herring.
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was George born 24th dec 1890 ?...does your friend know when his birthday was ? if it was xmas eve I am sure they would remember that
there is a birth for George Earle b 24th dec 1890 - baptised 11th Jan 1891 at St Columba church
if you think it may be him I can post the record
No idea I'm afraid. It could of course be him but then again....... She's going to have to put her hand in her pocket I think. :)
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Yes think you will need to order the marriage certificate to see what it says before you can go any further ... :)
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Yes, please encourage her to buy the certificate. The chap I see has a father John but the very brief tree I have seen says father William!
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Yes, I've just given her the bad news. ;) Thank you everyone though, you've been marvelous.
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One more thing..... Can someone give me a run down of what she needs to buy. I'm not au fait with what's on which certificate and so I would appreciate any advice. Cheers. :)
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Free BMD marriage
September quarter 1912 Liverpool vol 8b pg 225
George Earle and Mary A Lynch
This is the reference but you would be best to check it again at Free BMD
Here are the instructions https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
it isn't bad news- it's her history ;)
Hopefully that would give George's father. It may not solve the issue because it won't give his origins but we will just have to see what transpires.
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Thanks again for all your help. :)
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Hi My name is Megan Smith
My father Allan Smith, is one of three children to Ronald Smith and Margaret smith Nee Earle.
My grandmother Margaret was the daughter of George Earle and Mary Earle nee Lynch.
We have Mary Ann Earle (Lynch) death cert. her dob 22/9/1887 she died in Bootle, Liverpool and is buried in ford cemetery.
We also have birth certificate of first child George who died age 3. Born 3rd of June 1915 in Liverpool. Brother of Mary, John, Christine, Margaret, Teresa, Lillian.
Also have a letter from George Earle’s cousin Henrietta who lived in Garden city, gory, co Wexford, Ireland. We believe this is where George was born and where some family still may be.
Lillian Earle daughter of George Married a George Croker.
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Hi and welcome :D
Lillian Earle daughter of George Married a George Croker.
I cannot see a daughter named Lillian born to George and Mary Ann. Their daughter Elizabeth married in 1946 to John CROKER.
I will also mention that George and Mary Ann are in Liverpool in 1939 and the dates of birth they give are nothing like those so far mentioned in this thread. ???
Debra :)