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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Isobell21 on Friday 10 April 15 21:25 BST (UK)
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I would like to know if my ggrandmother Elizabeth Roberts born in New Marton,Shropshire abt.1845 married my ggrandfather William Jones who was born in Llansaitfraid,Montgomeryshire in New Marton,Shropshire.
I have found them in 1871 Census,
William
Elizabeth
Sons
William b. 1866
Thomas b 1870 my grandfather
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Hi Isobell,
Have you found Elizabeth in 1851? I found the following.
Address New Marton
William Roberts age 49
Fany wife age 45
George son 11
Elizabeth dau age 8
Thomas son age 6
Edward son age 3
All children born New Marton.
Jan
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I think this William could be Elizabeth's brother.
My Elizabeth ggrandmother married William Jones born in Llansantfraid,Montgomeryshire.
Thiere first born son William born in New Marton 1867
2nd son Thomas Edward born in Owestry in 1870-my grandfather
Thank you,
Isobell
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This is my Great-grandmother.
Thank-you so much!
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I think she and my great-grandfather married in New Marton abt.1865,His name was William Jones,he was born in Llansantfraid Montgomeryshire.
I found them in the 1871 Census.
Isobell
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https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AWilliam~%20%2Bsurname%3AJones~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3AMontgomeryshire~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1851-1872~
William Jones
Wales, Montgomeryshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
birth: 1839
marriage: 24 November 1862 Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire, Wales
spouse: Elizabeth Roberts
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William Albert Jones
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 October 1867 Oswestry, Shropshire, England
residence: Oswestry, Shropshire, England
father: William
mother: Elizabeth
Thomas Jones
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 8 August 1870 Clive, Shropshire, England
residence: Shropshire, England
father: William Jones
mother: Elizabeth Jones
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William Albert Jones
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 October 1867 Oswestry, Shropshire, England
residence: Oswestry, Shropshire, England
father: William
mother: Elizabeth
Thomas Jones
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 8 August 1870 Clive, Shropshire, England
residence: Shropshire, England
father: William Jones
mother: Elizabeth Jones
Unsure as to this marriage as William Jones residing Llanfechain occ Farmer Father William occ Farmer
Elizabeth Roberts 22 residing Llanfyllin
Witnesses David Lands & Eliza Roberts
Isobell linked.to another post re William to which I answered where and which.occupation he had in 1861?
Keyboard86
PS should have quoted the marriage not the births!
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I checked on freeBMD, no marriages for Shropshire.
Women mostly married in their home parish. Another reason the marriage could be wrong.
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Hi again, the William Jones I located in 1861 was aged 19 occ Railway Porter b Llansantfraid residing at Railway Station, Llangollen Road, Chirk, Oswestry, Shropshire
Census ref RG09/1880/75/11
Keyboard86
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Hello, This is what I have found
1871 Census Owestry Shropshire
William Jones head of household b. Llansantfraid,Montgomeryshire
Elizabeth wife b.New Marton, Shropshire
William son b.1867 New Marton,Shropshire
Thomas son b.1870 Owestry Shropshire my grandfather
1881 Census West Felton,Shropshire
Margaret daughter b West Felton, Shropshire
Fanny daughter b. West Felton, Shropshire
Llewlyn son b. Twyford, Shropshire
Grandfather Thomas E. was a porter on the railway, he married my grandmother Isabella Moorcroft in Chorley,England,where my father Ephriam Edward was born in 1899.They immigarted to Canada
in 1908.
William was a railway porter,became a labourer,
Elizabeth Roberts b. in New Marton to father William(not sure)b. abt 1801 and mother Fanny. b.abt. 1803
The family of William and Elizabeth (sons William and Llewlyn,Daughters Margaret and Fanny) remained in Shropshire.
I have not been able to find the marriage of Elizabeth Roberts and William Jones abt.1865
I would also like to find the birth registration of William Jones abt.1841 Llansanfraid,Montgomeryshire.
Thank You for the work and research,
Isobell
My Aunt May Jones of Montreal,corresponded with them until her death.
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I have an interest in the Roberts family of Ellesmere.
William Roberts
Head
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1801 New Marton, Shropshire
residence: 1871 New Marton, Shropshire, England
spouse: Frances Roberts
other: Henry Roberts
George Roberts
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 2 December 1839 ELLESMERE, SHROPSHIRE, ENGLAND
father: William Roberts
mother: Frances
Thomas Roberts
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 11 May 1845 Duddleston, Shropshire, England
residence: Duddleston, Shropshire, England
father: William Roberts
mother: Frances Roberts
Edward Roberts
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 27 February 1848 Duddleston, Shropshire, England
residence: Duddleston, Shropshire, England
father: William Roberts
mother: Frances Roberts
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Hi but just who were the parents of William Jones b c 1841 Llansantfraid, all the 1851 census are a bit vague eg b Montgomeryshire or other Montgomeryshire place names?
Keyboard86
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This is the problem, if not all the census information is given, then in most circumstances further research is impossible, just guess work.
When posting I have given almost all the information from a census, not sure if this is allowed. But sure does make life easier.
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I have no idea who his parents are,that is why I would like to find the marriage of William and Elizabeth,I think it could give his father's name. I doubt it will have his mother,
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I have no idea who his parents are,that is why I would like to find the marriage of William and Elizabeth,I think it could give his father's name. I doubt it will have his mother,
The problem you have is that although the parents of Elizabeth look to have been located, if the couple did not for what ever reason marry, it is the parents of William that may/are cause /causing the problem?
Keyboard86
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https://secure.ancestry.co.uk/subscribe/signup/register/O-24333?rtype=14&flowId=14
14 Days free trial with ancestry.co.uk This could work for you.
Wish I had findmypast, they cover all the Shropshire Parishes.
It might be a Nonconformist marriage.
I looked for years for one marriage in Shropshire, and I live in the county.
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;D Re cover of all Shropshire parishes, no marriage?
Keyboard86
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Thank-you both very much.I do have Ancestry and have no success but I will keep trying.
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Thank-you both very much.I do have Ancestry and have no success but I will keep trying.
Hi again, it really looks at present that for whatever reason the couple did not marry, unless at another place but not Shropshire, any William b c 1842 Llansantfraid in 1851 would help possibly if eg he was illegitimate?
Keyboard86
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Family search has a baptism for William Jones in llansanffraid ym mechain 3 October 1841, has this been ruled out.
Mike
Added. Father Edward mother Sarah
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Family search has a baptism for William Jones in llansanffraid ym mechain 3 October 1841, has this been ruled out.
Mike
Added. Father Edward mother Sarah
Thanks Mike, it had not been found let alone discarded?!
1851?
Keyboard86
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William Jones married. Elizabeth Morris 31 dec 1861 in llansanffraid ym merchant according to familysearch, source is Montgomery parish registers, but there are a lot of William joneses marrying Elizabeth's in the area.
Mike
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Hi Mike it is the William Jones who married an Elizabeth Roberts that is causing the problem he was single in 1861 occ Railway Porter b Llansantfraid in Chirk Oswestry Shropshire
Keyboard86
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There is a post on your other thread on this family giving another potential William Jones birth, it might help if a mod could merge the two threads.
Mike
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Hi Mike it is the William Jones who married an Elizabeth Roberts that is causing the problem he was single in 1861 occ Railway Porter b Llansantfraid in Chirk Oswestry Shropshire
Keyboard86
Now I am getting confused, are we certain that he married a eliz. Roberts.
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;D I presume a birth certificate of one of the children gives Roberts as maiden name?
Keyboard86
EDIT Isobell have you the birth certificate of your Grandfather Thomas?
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Hi Mike that marriage gives William Jones occ Farmer Father John occ Farmer
Elizabeth Morris Father Edward occ Farmer
Witnesses Henry and Jane Morris
Keyboard86