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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Hitchamite on Monday 06 April 15 19:45 BST (UK)
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Hi, this one has really got me puzzled - any help solving the mystery would be greatly appreciated!
B D was born in q1 1938 in Lewisham, London SE23 to FGD and GKN. Her parents are shown in electoral registers as living at 253 Devonshire Road, Lewisham until 1946.
On 21.05.1948 the family departed for Melbourne, Australia, on the RMS 'Ormonde' (Orient Line), address given as 298 Devonshire Road, Honour Oak Park, SE23 (ties in well with parents electoral register two years previously).
I have finally unearthed death records through Family Search for her father dated 02.07.1966 (Mt Waverley, Melbourne) and for her mother on 06.05.1974 (also at Mt Waverley, Melbourne) but she simply vanishes. I've tried Ancestry, Find My Past, Genes Reunited & Family Search in addition to the Victoria based databases suggested on this forum but there's not a single hit for a marriage, death, or onward travel (she was aged just ten when she emigrated).
Can anyone help me find out what happened to her, please?
I look forward to being astonished once more by your resourcefulness!
With grateful thanks, Andrew.
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She was alive and living with her parents in 1963
22, Blue Hills Ave occ clerk
B**** E**** D*****
Electoral Year: 1963
Mount Waverley
Victoria Australia
I've removed her name as she could still be alive!
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You might be interested in this - the family were interviewed about life in Australia
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/95709722?searchTerm=Disdel&searchLimits=
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Thanks 'groom', that's fantastic news! I don't suppose there is any indication that she married and had a family? If we go onto a private chat, is there any more info you can give me? She is the only known member of a family line that wasn't even known to exist until yesterday, and I'd love to try and make contact!
Once again, I'm blown away just how fast you guys can root out information that I've failed to obtain over days!
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Where ever did you find that - it's fantastic!
Can't wait to see what else appears ; )
Many, many thanks!
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The Electoral info was from Ancestry and the artical from Trove. At the moment I can't see anything else, but I'm not sure how recent Australian records are on line.
You will probably get more help once the Australians are awake. ;D
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Hope there's something nice to wake to tomorrow morning!
Again, many thanks for all your input.
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Gertrude DISDEL seems to be living at 20 Blue Hills Av. in later Electoral lists.
There's a KLESEL with same Christian names as the daughter who seems to be living at that address as well.
That being said I'm drawing a complete blank on that surname.
Maureen
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Gertrude DISDEL seems to be living at 20 Blue Hills Av. in later Electoral lists.
There's a KLESEL with same Christian names as the daughter who seems to be living at that address as well.
That being said I'm drawing a complete blank on that surname.
Maureen
I wonder if Klesel is a bad transcription of Disdel? What date was that Maureen?
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I don't think it's a trancription error-she seems to be there from 1968 to 1980. Gertrude was at the same addy in 1968 and 1972.
Maureen
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So at some point between 1963 and 1968 her surname changes. If it's by marriage her husband isn't listed as being with her in any of the electoral records.
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Again, many thanks for your input groom, and thanks for joining in Maureen!
I've now found the files you're both referencing and have tracked (*) Klesel until 1980. I do hope the trail doesn't run out at this point............
Very odd that there's a change of name without a marriage? At one point I did wonder if the name had been Anglicised (at the time of WW1) but since then I've traced the line back to 1800, so that can't be the case!
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I think this may now be the problem - no recent records
The Victorian Registry of Births, Deaths & Marriages provides an online index to the following:
Births 1836-1924
Marriages 1836-1942
Deaths 1836-1985
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Doubtless you guys have noticed that there is just one family by the name of Klesel in Victoria at the same time?
Gunter Karl Klesel & Theresa Helen Klesel of Melbourne Ports / Higinbotham / Isaacs in Victoria.
Surely there must be a connection?
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Yes, noticed that. They seem to be a couple as they are at the same address and must be over 21 to be on the electoral role.
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Just a gentle reminder about copyright. We are asked to please transcribe information from other websites not attach information.
I suggest you remove the daughter's name as she may be living.
Deaths
DISDEL Frederick Guy
Father Thomas Henry Mother Susannah HARRIS
At Parkville 60 years 1966 Reg#13143
Burial record
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/result/314023
DISDEL Gertrude Kate
Father Noel Charles Mother Kate BISHOP
At Ashwood 67 years 1974 Reg#10355
Burial record
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/result/391772
Marriage registrations are only available to 1942 in Victoria.
It is possible that their dau was the informant on Gertrude's death certificate and my best step would be to purchase an image online AUD$21 which you can immediately download.
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+certificates/purchase+an+uncertified+image
and
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=373754.msg1303288#msg1303288
Neither of them had a will probated in Victoria.
Cando
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There are no Klesel or Disdel names that show up on the Ryerson Index of death notices or Obituaries so it must be assumed that the people are still alive. There does not appear to be any marriage on the Victorian BMD?
Neil
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The dau married and I have pm'd some information as there is every possiblity that her husband and dau are living. I have not located them.
Cando
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Thanks Neil, and Cando too.
I'm sorry if I've inadvertently caused an issue re copyright - the items were all free, so I didn't think there was a problem. Can you please advise how to remove the images? I can't see an obvious way.
Re the search itself, should I close the enquiry completely? It's a bit difficult to request help without the individual's name, and when I started I didn't think she was living (owing to the lack of hits).
I'll attend to the issues as soon as I get a response (which will probably be tomorrow, looking at the time)!
With grateful thanks, Hitchamite.
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I think if you go back to your first post and click "Modify" then under the post it should give you the option to remove attached images.
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Hi Hitchamite,
If go to post where added photos and hit attachments and other options, you get the option to delete ones already there.
for daughter you could hit modify on first post and edit the title so it just has the initial - that should change the title throughout
Similarly with other mentions of daughter ...
Regards
Ros
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There is a file on NAA for the dau, her husband and their dau. As this information is for people born within the last 100 years I suggest we don't post anything further on the board.
Cando
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Thanks for the suggestion Cando. If anyone has anything else to add please send me a PM.
Fantastic response, as ever, and many thanks to everyone that has contributed.
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After a lot more research, a wild hunch (and a lot of luck) I've finally solved my mystery and have made contact with the missing branch of my family.
The suspected spouse's name was so unusual that I did a phone number search and turned up an address. It was hard to conceive that he was still alive, but I finally penned a very carefully worded letter in case a relation was still at the address. To my delight, his daughter is still alive and apparently their daughter in turn went on to have a family of her own.
Many, many thanks for the information gleaned from the Australian records by you all, without which I am sure that I would never made the connection.