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Does anyone have info on Lazurus Williams , his parents or siblings.He had a son Jon Lazauswilliams , a writer,college tutor and county councillor.
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Lazarus, the son of Owen Williams, & Margaret Hughes was born 5 Mar 1886, Llandegfan.
He had siblings as follows, all registered as children of Owen Williams & Margaret Hughes:
Annie - 2 Apr 1895 - Llanfair P G
Margaret Ellen - 29 Oct 1888 - Llanfair P G
Owen Griffith - 15 Mar 1891 - Llanfair P G
Richard - 5 May 1893 - Llanfair P G
Mary - 15 Dec 1898 - Llandysilio
and perhaps Catherine - 30 Apr 1884 - Llandegfan.
Margaret Williams (widow) and her children (not Catherine) are living at 16 Well St, Menai Bridge, Llandysilio in 1901.
Owen Williams' death was registered 16 Aug 1900 at Well St., Menai Bridge, Llandysilio, age 46, occupation rabbit catcher. Informant Kate Williams, daughter.
I cannot find the marriage of Owen Williams and Margaret Hughes among Anglesey marriages. FreeBMD has a marriage Conway 11b 741 Jun 1886 which may be them.
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Hi DragonT
Thank you for speedy response.
I am one of Catherine Williams' grandchildren.
She married William Jones.
She had 12 grandchildren of whom 2 did not survive infancy, 1 died at the age of 14, 1 died aged 74 and all others (8) are still alive.
When Catherine married in 1910 she was registered as living at 16 Well Street , Menai Bridge.
Did Lazurus Williams also have a son David ,born in c.1878?
Any further information or even questions would be appreciated.
Paul Jones
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his marriage - from the North Wales express of 24 July 1908
Williams—Thomas—July 15. at the Trinity Chapel, Beaumaris, by Mr Lewis Morris, registrar, Mr Lazarus Williams, 16, Well street, Menai Bridge, to Miss Mary Thomas, Ty Pobty, Llangoed.
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Judging by a newspaper article of 1910, he and Mary set up residence in Beach Road
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Hello Mabel
I am fascinated by the way responses appear on this website.
Having clarified my links with Lazarus Williams as my grandmother's ( Catherine (- probably Kate) Williams' brother , do you have any information about Owen Williams' (b1855 d1912) ancestry?
Thank you
Paul Jones
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Hi Paul,
I've found the following children of Lazarus Williams & Mary Thomas born on Anglesey:
Evan David - 16 Sep 1919 - Llangoed
John Lazarus - 29 Oct 1924 - Llangoed
Lizzie - 6 May 1916 - Llangoed (Note-father Private Royal Welsh Fusiliers)
Mary - 5 Oct 1908 - Llangoed
Owen - 4 Mar 1910 - Llangoed
Richard - 20 Sep 1912 - Llangoed
Also some other records:
Death - Lizzie Williams, age given as 1hour, 6 May1916 at Bryn Awelon, Llangoed, dau of Lazarus Williams soldier, Private RWF (Quarryman). Informant Ann Thomas, grandmother.
Death - Mary Williams, age 72 on 2 Aug 1954 at Gernant, Llangoed, wife of retired nightwatchman Lazarus Williams. Informant John L. Williams, son.
Death - Lazarus Williams, age 90 on 27 Jun 1976.
Marriage - Lazarus Williams, 70, widower, labourer of Gernant, Llangoed, son of Owen Williams, labourer married Jane Jones, 53, spinster of Tynygongl, Llangristiolus, dau of Thomas Jones, agricultural labourer on 23 Nov 1957 at Llangefni register Office.
I'll see what I can find on Owen Williams, father of Lazarus.
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Well done DragonT
Any information on Owen Williams my great grandfather would be helpful.
Paul Jones
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Did Lazurus Williams also have a son David ,born in c.1878?
Hi Paul,
David's birth was registered as 23 Sep 1878 at Llanbedrgoch, son of Owen Williams & Margaret Hughes, so brother of Lazarus Williams, which I think is what you meant.
In the 1881 census Owen Williams (25, ag. labourer, b. Llandegfan), Margaret (22, b. Llanbedrgoch) and David (2, b. Llanbedrgoch) are at Pen y Maen, Llandegfan.
I think I have found Owen's parents and siblings but there is a complication as the family name in some of the earlier records was recorded as Jones rather than Williams.
There is a baptism recorded in Llandegfan parish records for Owen son of David and Margaret Williams on 20 May 1855. David is a labourer, the abode looks like Twllcaccwn(?) and the surname Williams replaces Jones, which has been crossed out but is clearly visible.
There does not seem to be a birth registration for Owen son of David Williams but I found:
23 Apr 1855 Owen son of David Jones & Margaret Owen, Llandegfan.
In the 1861 census there is a family as shown below at Twr y felin, Llandegfan (RG9, 4348, 37,19):
David Jones, 29, Labourer, b. Llangoed, Anglesey
Margaret - , 28, b. Llandegfan, Anglesey
Owen - , 6, b. Llandegfan, Anglesey
Margaret - , 5, b. Llandegfan, Anglesey
Catherine - , 3, b. Llandegfan, Anglesey
David -, 1, b. Llandegfan, Anglesey
John - , 2 months, b. Llandegfan, Anglesey
The births of Owen's siblings were registered as follows:
Margaret, 24 Jun 1856, dau of David Jones & Margaret Owen, Llandegfan
Catherine, 30 Jan 1858, dau of David Williams & Margaret Owen, Llandegfan
David, 27 Jun 1859, son of David Williams & Margaret Owen, Llandegfan
John, 20 Feb 1861, son of David Williams & Margaret Owen, Llandegfan
As proof that this is the same family throughout, in the 1871 census, also at Twr y felin, Llandegfan there are the following (RG10, 5726, 2, 4):
David Williams, 40, Labourer, b. Llangoed, Anglesey
Margaret Williams, 39 b. Llandegfan
Catherine Williams, 13
David Williams,12
John Williams, 10
plus younger children William,8, Grace,5, Ellen,3, Mary 6mo, all born Llandegfan.
I had assumed that David (b. ca. 1832) was the son of John Williams (or William Jones) and that the alternate surname is patronymic. But the marriage of David Williams and Margaret Owen(s) shows David's father as Richard Williams, disproving this.
25 Dec 1854 at Llandegfan Church - David Williams, full age, bachelor, labourer of Eirianell, Llangoed, son of Richard Williams, labourer married Margaret Owens, full age, spinster of Twll
Cacwn (!), Llandegfan, dau of Owen Owens, labourer.
Hope this helps
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HELLO DRAGONT
All the info is much appreciated and does tie in with what little I already know , particularly in relationship to Llandegfan.
I am likely to be going to Anglesey in the near future and will pay a visit to Llandegfan which I know from my college days in Bangor (1970).
I will unravel all this recent information and let you know how I get on.
Again , many thanks
Paul
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Hi DragonT
Thanks for all info re. Lazurus side of family leading back to David/Jones/Williams.
Can I ask if you have access to my grandfather's side of the family?
CATHERINE WILLIAMS (daughter of Owen Williams) born 30.04.1884 married William JONES LIVING AT 227 CAERNARVON ROAD BANGOR on 28.04.1910. All I know is that his mother's forename was Jane.
If you have any info that can lead me in the right direction it would be appreciated.
Paul Jones
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Hi Paul,
I'm afraid I have more resources for Anglesey than for Caernarvonshire (and Lazarus Williams is a much easier name to research than William Jones!). What I have been able to find is William Jones and Catherine still living in Bangor in 1911 (William 31 b. Bangor, Catherine 27 b. Llandegfan).
Based on this information, and William's mother being Jane, there is a family in Bangor in 1881, 1891 and 1901 which may be William's, although I have no proof. Do you have a copy of William and Catherine's marriage certificate? It might give some supporting evidence.
1881 - RG11/5576/91/8 - at 5 Glanadda Terrace
William Jones, 34, slate dresser, b. Bangor
Jane, 26, b. Conway
Thomas John, 6, b. Bangor
Mary, 4, b. Bangor
William, 1, b. Bangor
1891 - RG12/4667/81/42 - at 15 Glanadda Terrace
Jane Jones, 36, widow, charwoman, b. Conway
Thomas J. , 16, slate worker, b. Bangor
Mary, 14, b. Bangor
William, 11 (transcribed 17), b. Bangor
Richard, 8, b. Bangor
Solomon, 8, b. Bangor
1901 - RG13/5279/127/23 - at 244 Carnarvon Road
Jane Jones, 46, widow, b. Conway
William, 21, general labourer, b. Bangor
Richard, 18, carpenter house, b. Bangor
Solomon, 13(?), general labourer, b. Bangor
Regards
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Hi DragonT
EUREKA
I HAVE A COPY OF JANE'S WILL WRITTEN IN 1934 WHICH MADE BEQUESTS TO
MARY
WILLIAM
THOMAS JOHN
and SOLOMON.
She wrote it when living at 227 Caernarvon Road which is where William was registered when marrying Catherine in 1910.
Many thanks.
Do you live in the area?
Paul