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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Wiggy on Tuesday 31 March 15 00:53 BST (UK)
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Hello - I am wondering about this second last birth entry - just a father's surname given. Residence seems to say 'no house' or 'newhouse' - or something. Do I assume illegitimate?
Janet / Dau of / . . . Wilson / . . . . / ?Newhouse / Jun 28 / . . . (6 / 7 refers to number of males and females baptised that year)
I think the 'paid to P.W' at the end of the line applies to whole year - place is Applegarth and Sibbaldie in Dumfriesshire
Wiggy
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It is not unusual to find partial entries. This is mainly due to poor memory or scrappy notes being used to write out final entries. The following entry omits the mother's name and is out of chronological order. An earlier entry gives the mother as "Isobel" without a surname. It is unlikely that the child was illegitimate - in that case it is more likely that the full names would be entered, especially the mother's.
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Thanks for that GR2!
That's helpful!
We do have another illegitimate birth, and as you say the mother is clearly named as is the designation illegitimate.
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Going by the Ms in March, I'd say place could be Moorhouse :-\
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Well that could be correct - thanks Mare.
Makes sense - better than my suggestion.
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Well I'm not too sure about Moor, as second o isn't closed off ... but there is one above which looks a bit like it could be Millhouse :-\ ... or something similar, again 2nd l isn't quite there
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Yes I noticed that - didn't make the connection with the 'M's though. ::)
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In Scotland a variation would be Muirhouse
Annie
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Do you think that's what it looks like, Annie? :-\
I was thinking the second letter was an 'o'. But I am willing to be swayed. ;)
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Sorry I forgot to say it looks like Norhouse to me but I was just giving advice about pronunciation sometimes making a difference to spellings.
Annie
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Newhouse
Applegarth and Sibbaldie in Dumfriesshire
I have now enlarged it on home comp & also realising it was close to the border of England it looks as though the person writing it changed their mind from a "o" to an "e" & it looks like Newhouse which in an "English Accent" could very well sound like "Nowhouse" i.e. I am quite confident it is actually Newhouse ;D
Annie
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Thank you - that seems a better fit to me - ;)
Though I agree the N could well be an M - but not this time. :)
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I don't know if this is any help to you but I just Googled Moorhouse, Applegarth, Dumfriesshire and this came up:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY/2007-03/1174558587
I didn't read it all but the name Wilson is in there.
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Nowhouse or Morhouse ............. could be either (said in an English accent) & be Newhouse or Moorhouse so now I'm confused ???
Are there any other documents which could sway it :-\
Sorry ::)
Annie
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Janet / Dau of / . . . Wilson / . . . . / ?Newhouse / Jun 28 /
place is Applegarth and Sibbaldie in Dumfriesshire
How do you know this is the correct Janet & the correct area please ???
I am asking because there are other Janet's born same era in Dumfries with father Wilson :-\
Annie
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The link I gave above contains the phrase:
David1 WILSON was born 1675 in of Muirhouse, Applegarth, Dumfries
and lists various names with the 4th generation being:
10. James4 WILSON (David3, John2, David1) was born 08 Feb 1802 in
Applegarth, Dumfries
Lots more names and generations in the link.
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This seems to be a possible fit ???
1841
Janet Wilson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Gender: Female
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Sanquhar
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Muiredge
Parish Number: 848
Household Members:
James Wilson 60
Thomas Wilson 20
Janet Wilson 19
Annie
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This is my ex husband's family and I am not too sure of who everyone is - but from later census records I have established that she was born in 1817 so I don't think any of these fir -The census records state born Tinwald - can't find any of those, but found one recorded quite close (I think) at Kirkmahoe - someone tell me if this is possible - )
12 Jan 1817 Janet Lawful daughter of James Wilson and Catherine Fillon - Possibly this is more likely - but really I am running around in the dark. I was interessted in the previous clip to see if it meant illegitimate of not - not that I was sure it was the right one.
Pretty sure that link isn't correct Roofer. Thanks for looking everyone - I really appreciate the time you are spending.
Wiggy