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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: nfmcc on Monday 30 March 15 23:16 BST (UK)
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My grandfather, John Brady, emigrated from Kildallan, County Cavan, Ireland to Montreal, Canada in 1927 with 3 of his 4 children - Ellen, b. 1907, Joseph b. 1910 and my father,Thomas b. 1913. The only thing I know is that apparently Ellen did not stay with her father and brothers after arrival in Montreal. I don't know if she stayed in Montreal or left for another city. I can't find any trace of her and would appreciate knowing if this information rings a bell with anyone. Thank you.
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Hi,
There are no Central registries/indexes in Canada for BMDs. Canada has very strict privacy laws and each province imposes its own even further. Additionally, some provinces are more research friendly than others so researching in Canada can be challenging. The last available Canadian Census was 1921 As a guide BMD Records are only available for births more than a 100 years ago, marriages 85 years ago (They are up to about 1929 at the moment)and deaths 70 years ago.
Have you followed all the brothers forward to see if there are obituaries for them which mention Ellen ???
Sandra
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Hi Sandra. Thanks for the information regarding Canadian records - that explains why I'm having trouble tracing her through marriage details etc. I have the information about the brothers and there is no mention of her so I'm hoping someone might recognize the names on a personal level.
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This is a complete shot in the dark, however the Irish community in Montreal lived in a place called Griffintown. It's usually referred to in the census records as the Ste. Anne's Ward. My family burial plot as are many families is at the Notre Dame des Neiges Cemetery.
I have pulled a lot of info from their website, ie DOB, DOD, maiden names etc.
This could be who you're looking for (again a shot in the dark).
Name: Ellen Brady
Date buried: 04/07/1941
Section: P Lot: 02166
Spouse: Neeson
I would look for the above person's marriage record to Neeson and see who they list her parents as. Then you can go from there.
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Great suggestion KNormoyle. However, I found her obituary in the Montreal Gazette (2 July 1941, p.12 "Mrs John Neeson Dies.") Here is the link.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f2c/
The obit states that she was 76 years old (meaning she would have been born c.1865) and had four brothers and four sisters so I don't think this would be the right Ellen Brady.
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Yeah maybe that Ellen Brady may be a bit old. Like I said shot in the dark. The other of the popular Montreal cemeteries is Mount royal but their website isn't as comprehensive.
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I appreciate everybody's efforts. I tried the Annuaires Lovell and couldn't find her, although she may have been working as a domestic and therefore not likely to have been recorded. The first residence I have for the father and two brothers from 1928 to 1935 is 1495 Aird Ave., which I don't believe is in the Griffentown area, but that doesn't mean that's not where Ellen headed. Does anyone know of any way at all for searching marriage records for that time frame? Thanks. Norma
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As a guide BMD Records are only available for births more than a 100 years ago, marriages 85 years ago (They are up to about 1929/30 at the moment)and deaths 70 years ago.
Sandra
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I have the information about the brothers and there is no mention of her so I'm hoping someone might recognize the names on a personal level.
Does that mean you have located obituaries for the boys ???
Noticed on the passenger list for John Brady - verif of landing (s) - 6/2/47 and for Joseph 5/8/41
Sandra
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I have the shipping records for them all landing in Montreal on the S.S. Athenial on 15 May 1927. One brother, Joseph, was in the Merchant Navy during the war and died on July 15, 1943 when his ship, the S.S. Empire Lake was torpedoed. I don't have an actual obituary for him, just information found on the Internet. The other brother, Thomas, my father, died in New Zealand in 1990 and there is no mention of Ellen in his obituary. Norma
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Norma, do you know the date of death of the father John Brady?
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Hi Linda. I do know the date - 10 August 1961. I have a copy of the death certificate, but this version just gives DOB 23 Feb. 1877 and DOD, no family particulars. Given that Ellen was nowhere around, Joseph was dead, and Thomas, my father was living in New Zealand at the time of his father, John Andrew Brady's death in Montreal, I'm not sure there would have been an obituary - and I don't know where to start finding out where he may have been buried, although even knowing that probably wouldn't bring me any closer to Ellen. Thanks. Norma
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Could this be john?
Name: John Brady
Date buried: 09/08/1961
Section: FT Lot: 01961
Spouse: O Reilly Margaret
there is also an Emily (Ellen) Brady at Notre Dame des Neiges cemetery.
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Wow, you're good - that sounds promising as his wife was Margaret (Maggie) Reilly - I know O was sometimes added.
I'm not sure why I wrote 10 August (late night typing error???) as his certificate does say August 9, 1961.
You don't mention the cemetery with John's info - is it the Notre Dame de Neiges that you mention with Emily's info? (In the documents that I have for Ellen - census, shipping record, birth certificate, there is no reference to Emily as an alternative name, so I'm not sure about her being the one buried there).
Do you know anything about the place John is buried? I have always imagined him being in a nameless grave as he likely had no family and no money, so I'm wondering if Lot 01961 is that kind of area - perhaps a paupers' area for the 1961 deaths, or am I reading too much into it?
May I say, as a newcomer to RootsChat, that I am so impressed with the speed and helpfulness of everybody who has helped me so far. Thanks. Norma
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Same cemetery. Because both sides of my family lived in the Montreal area for generations, this is a good resource for me. Their web site is really easy to use.
http://www.notredamedesneigescemetery.ca/en/
You can broaden your search to that plot and see who else is buried there. They would all be connected.
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Thanks for the link. I also found some info about the FT section - refers to Fosse Temporaire, used by the poor working classes to rent (temporaire) a lot for 10 years, so there won't be a physical trace of him at the site, but fantastic to know the location. It would appear that he is the only one at the site as his wife, Maggie, died in Ireland in 1917. Norma