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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Hannah K-P on Monday 16 March 15 21:43 GMT (UK)
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Good evening
I'm hoping someone can give me some ideas on how I can find out more information about a man listed in the 1939/40 electoral roll.
The man is John Donegan who is listed as being in Clontarf East at 27 Kinkora Road. The entry is marked *also at 23 Upper O'Connell Street. He is also marked with a J which i believe means he was a juror.
Other people at the address are Eva Donegan and Minnie Brown. I believe Eva is his wife.
I'm desperate to find some more information (I'm afraid I don't have a dob even). Has anyone got any ideas. Any help would be hugely appreciated.
Best wishes
Hannah
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Have you forgotten you started a thread about him in 2009? (with replies posted)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=382380
Also these topics-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=382388
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=382574
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=715796
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Evening
Thanks. I wasn't sure how i could find my old post. I gave up hope when I couldn't get anywhere but now want to revisit. This electoral roll entry has to be him.
Should I delete this post and post on the old one? Sorry if I've broken guidelines I'm a bit of a newbie.
:)
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Go to www.google.ie and just google "27 Kincora Road" not Kinkora!!
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I get the feeling from the replies on this thread that I've disgruntled people. I was just looking for some help and appreciate the time people take to read and respond (even if comments are a little pointed). I'm not sure how I should have approached things differently but apologise if I have annoyed anyone.
I am still keen to get advice so perhaps someone could tell me where I've gone wrong....
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No you haven't disgruntled people...
I googled it and saw some interesting stuff!! You can then go Advanced search and see what you get. Maybe you got this on your other threads but I'm one who can't be bothred being bounced around having to rad thread after thread to find out what replies were previously given.
You only have to click on Hannah K-P to find all your posts... from Aghadoey's reply you now have 6 threads and people trying to help shouldn't have to search and search to find what has already been posted all over the shop.. too time consuming...
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I started by posting a link to the topic you started in 2009 in case you'd forgotten- and then discovered there were lots more. It's best to keep to one topic rather than lots of different ones as searches and information is duplicated, time wasted, etc. Also earlier for you to have everything in one place. It's a bit like saying 'I need a pint of milk' and lots of people come to you with one not knowing that someone else has already gotten it for you.
Keeping all the details in one place also means that we can easily see everything you know at the start.
You've only a few posts so it should be difficult to find them again (as I did yesterday). Just click on profile then show posts (on the left side of page). If you want to narrow it down to topics you've started then just click on topics. Once you have lots of posts it may be easier to use the search box using the link near the top of each page- pick something like Donegan and fill in your username so you will also get other people's threads where you posted with that name in the message.
Go to www.google.ie and just google "27 Kincora Road" not Kinkora!!
No idea what that search was supposed to find as all I got was items like houses for sale on Kincora Rd., Dublin.
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I got strange stuff.. names of Scientist that lived there, results from Planning with names/dates etc..
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Thank you both for coming back to me. I totally understand what you mean about having everything in one place. Do you think it's best for me to go back to one of the longer original threads and update there? (I do have a photo on the photo board as someone suggested I post it there for ageing).
Once again thanks for pointing me in the best way to use the forum.
Re the google search - i'm afraid I can't seem to see anything interesting just the recent sold info etc. Any clues?
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For the Google search:
1) use Google.ie - and not .com or .co.uk!
2) use quotation marks around the address - so "27 Kincora Road".
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For the Google search:
1) use Google.ie - and not .com or .co.uk!
2) use quotation marks around the address - so "27 Kincora Road".
Not sure what Hannah tried but I did 1) use google.ie and 2) quotation marks. Tried again and still not seeing anything remotely interesting except this RC topic ::)
Hannah- go to the post where I posted all those links to your other topics and click report to moderator to ask for help in sorting it out. Not sure at this point if all topics should/could be merged logically but the moderator might deceide to lock some of them with a message saying see 1 particular post.
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Will do that now - thank you!
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I believe what Hallmark probably found on the Google search about a 'scientist' was a reference to Erwin Schrödinger the Austrian physicist, but he lived at no 26 Kincora Road around the same time.
Hannah - I read your earlier threads and though slow going (!) you have made huge progress.
I can't really add anything since we have no idea of you grandfathers dob and I can't see any marriage to Eva either.
If any use to you, the week after next I will have a bit of time off and one of the things on my agenda is a day at Pearse St Library where they hold the rest of the digitised Electoral Registers - from 1939/40 to 1959/60. I will have a look for Eva, see where she goes and see if any of her children pop up. Also before 1939 you are back to paper searches but can have a check for the relevant addresses and see if we can find some sort of lead. Certainly I can see from newspapers that by 1946 a Mr V F Ross is living at no 27 Kincora so Eva has gone somewhere else.
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I found Mr V F Ross there too so it looks like names changed around then..
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googled 23 Upper O'Connell Street..... came up with address of Gresham Hotel
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http://www.dublinmapped.com/hotels-in-dublin/gresham-hotel/
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I had a lovely dinner one evening in the Gresham in the 1980s :) Know that it wasn't always at that location but not sire when it came there.
Also possible, I suppose that there was a resident hair salon in the hotel itself.
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Good morning
Hasta - your offer to have a look for leads for me is very kind indeed. If while you are there you wouldn't mind having a look for where the registers lead us after 1939 that would be very helpful. Without a marriage to Eva I'm wondering if it is his wife at all. Maybe his sister, or maybe just another women he had taken up with in sin (!)
The 1946 appearance of Mr Ross at 27 Kincora Road would tie in with the birth of my mothers oldest sister in the June of that year. The address given on her birth certificate is 153 strand Road, Sandymount but of course my grandfather assumes a false name (John Kearns) for the purposes of the certificate.
Thank you for looking into the Upper O'Connell Street address. Your comments about the Gresham led me to this attached advert from the Sunday Independent in October 1933. It appears that the salon was next to the Gresham Hotel (I suppose a good location to serve hotel guests as you say aghadowey).
I'm starting to feel like I am making progress again - many thanks!
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Just a matter of googling everything...
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Hello Hannah,
I'm just posting on this thread so that I get notified on updates, as you seem to have switched away from the other thread. Did you pick up my info on that about the academic robe firm in Dublin?
Siobhan
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Apologies Siobhan
In sorting out my multiple post mess things were all consolidated here (with the exception of the thread re the date of the photo). I'll put a note on that thread now as it's probably much easier to keep everything in one place.
Thank you for your patience everyone!
Yes, I did contact the robe firm yesterday thank you. I'm just waiting to hear back from them so I'll post as soon as I hear something.
(As a note to those on this thread, the alternative thread mentioned here is at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=382380.27 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=382380.27))
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Found this advert from Dec 1949- Nenagh Guardian
MOIRA HAIR SALON
CATHEDRAL STREET THURLES
Hair-tinting, Artistic Permanent Waving. Facial Contour. New Swirl Cut for Basic Setting. Manicuring.
Under the personal management of John Kearns late of Feminix London and Don Egan's Ltd Dublin.
Phone Thurles 123.
A quick Google shows that Feminix was a hair salon in Piccadilly in 1920's, so maybe he trained there ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eyy/
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Hannah, are you going to show us the other picture you mentioned?
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Afternoon
Sorry for the silence yesterday I was unable to log on.
Firstly great find Hasta, thank you. It's exciting to get new information. The advert fits exactly with other dates I know in that my uncle was born in Thurles in April 1950. In addition I found the attached advert which shows that Don Egan's was sold in Feb 1949 (which would fit with a new salon later that year). It's frustrating that his name is given as John Kearns but no real shock. My grandmother was known as Moira :-)
The mention of the salon in London is interesting and has made me recall that there was some talk years ago that he trained with/under Mr Teasy-Weasy, lol! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Bessone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Bessone)
Does anyone have any ideas how I might find the ownership of Don Egans in Dublin as it looks to have been well established.
On to the other photo....
Unfortunately I can't put my hand on the one I had in mind but have found the only other picture we have of him. It's not the best quality and his face is partially obscured by a little girl (born 1946). I'm struggling to put an age to my grandfather at the time but I've attached it anyway just in case someone has any ideas.
Finally, it has now been confirmed that the robe is definitely a TCD undergraduate gown. I'm still thinking the photo that I posted with him in it was taken 1917 to 1929 given the dates that College Studios operated. Someone did have a look at the list of graduates between these years but couldn't see a John Donegan. This leads me to believe he either didn't graduate or that he was in fact called Don or John Egan.
I'm contacting TCD to see if they would be willing to look through the undergraduate lists for both Donegan and Egan for the years in question.
Any more news and I'll post...
Many thanks for your continued efforts.
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Photo...
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Well that's definitely the same man - the hairline and thickness of the hair is very distinctive. This whole thing is so odd. If that gown, as is now confirmed, is a TCD gown and (as previously stated) not just a student but a scholar's gown, meaning that he was academic enough to get a scholarship, it does seem to be an extremely erratic career path to take. I look forward with great interest to further instalments!
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I think I have him!!!
TCD replied today with the following information -
" I have consulted the admissions registers for Trinity College Dublin and have found an entry for a John Joseph Donegan, a Roman Catholic, who entered this University in July 1925, aged 19 years, as a pensioner i.e. he paid a fixed annual fee for his education. He was born in Dublin, the son of Edward Donegan whose profession is listed at ‘Commercial’. This student was educated at Belvedere College before beginning his studies at Trinity College, but he does not appear to have proceeded to a degree as there is no entry in the Catalogue of Graduates".
I've looked on the 1911 census and can see him listed at 5 St David's Terrace, Glasnevin (extract attached). I've also found a record of his birth in 1909. (As an aside a Minnie Peach is listed on the census as a border at the house with her husband who I have discovered died in 1917 as a soldier in WW1. The 1939/40 electoral roll entry I have found for what I believe is my John Donegan shows a Minnie Brown at the same address....maybe the same Minnie?).
Next on my list of things to find out is:
a) details of John's first marriage (which we believe happened prior to him meeting my grandmother)
b) if John had any children from his first marriage
c) if John had any siblings (and if they in turn married/had children)
d) any other possible information about his life prior to 1946 when we know for sure he adopted my grandmothers surname - Kearns.
Can anyone help me with anything on this list, or point me in the right direction, as I'm still very inexperienced.
Many many thanks
Hannah
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Geraldine_Square/1299083/ the only one I see with an Edward and Michael..
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This looks very interesting. There appears to be a discrepancy between the age he gave to Trinity when he started, and the age on the birth record/census. Why would he tell them he was three years younger than he really was? Perhaps it was something to do with rules and regs about 'mature' students or something. But if he was really 22, where had he been since he left school? I wonder if Belvedere College have any archives that are accessible? Might be worth a letter.
(Just realised I have got my sums back to front here, (see next posting) but the Belvedere enquiry might still be worth doing in any case).
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Oops - wrote last posting very late last night. I realise now that I got my sums back to front.
If he was born in 1909, then he was only 16 in 1925 when he told TCD he was 19. Perhaps that's why he didn't graduate. Perhaps they found out. But somebody else must have colluded with this, because how else would he have paid the fees?
Unless they have misread 1928/9 for 1925.
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Census ages can vary considerably
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Oh, I agree Hallmark, but there's a clear difference between a 2 year old, as recorded, and a 5 year old, I would have thought.
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Well you find a nearer match!!!
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If he was born in 1909, then he was only 16 in 1925 when he told TCD he was 19. Perhaps that's why he didn't graduate. Perhaps they found out. But somebody else must have colluded with this, because how else would he have paid the fees?
Unless they have misread 1928/9 for 1925.
And there is the photograph which seems to indicate that he did graduate.
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Indeed, that is what it looks like. Yet TCD don't have a record of it, apparently. Very curious.
Of course, we don't know how reliable TCD's record keeping is, but you wouldn't have thought it was likely to be sloppy.
PS: Have just been away to double check this thought, but it seems that TCD is one of the few old universities where you don't have to graduate to wear the gown. They have, or certainly used to have, the concept of the 'undergraduate gown' there.
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Hannah. To answer your questions re finding John Donegans possible wife, children or siblings, you are going to have to start trawling the Civil Index and buying certs - this info won't be online for the time period you are dealing with now and only buying certs will throw any light on things.
The information from Trinity does change the timescale a little. You said you have found the John Donegan 1909 birth record so I'd buy that to find his mothers maiden name you will need this in order to find any siblings and his parents marriage which is not exactly jumping off the page at the moment.
Regarding a possible marriage to 'Eva' - It doesn't seem to exist, but if he is born 1909 then he needs to be 21 to marry so any marriage has to be post 1930. Looking for possibilities between 1930 and 1939 gives 5 possibilities that I can see. You may need to buy all of these but one that is very slightly jumping out for me is the 1933 John J Donegan to Georgina Tallon.
1. Because Georgina is a name that could just possibly be corrupted to Eva and
2. Georgina was born in Clontarf (1911 census - Hollybrook Road) and in the 1939/40 register her family (parents James and Jane) are living on Seafield Road which runs parallel to Kincora Rd. There are 2 boys born to this marriage one in 1934 and the other in 1939 so fits with what you have been told. The Marriage record is Dublin North which is consistant with he being from Glasnevin and her from Clontarf. The 2 boys births are registered in Dublin South which might be consistent with births in Hollis St Hospital, anyway thats where I would start.
You at least have enough leads now to start making some educated guesses and proving/disproving, as I said you may need to order all 5 John Donegan marriages 1930-1940.
A good idea by Winterbloom to contact Belvedere College - they may have something to add - I would think a Belvedere education would account for the Latin and German language skills alone never mind Trinity (did they not tell you what he studied there ?)
I will still check the post 1939 Electoral Reg for Eva the week after next and let you know.
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I think what hasta has just posted makes a lot of sense. I would add to that another idea.
1. Because Georgina is a name that could just possibly be corrupted to Eva
Ena is often a nickname for Georgina so perhaps 'Eva' was a misprint
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Some great advice and inspired deduction work there. The Holles Street conclusion is a very logical one, too; that was always known as the 'Catholic' maternity hospital, even for northsiders!
Just to shave a few seconds off your research time, the address for Belvedere is archives@belvederecollege.ie.
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When I was looking for a possible marriage for John Donegan last night I could have saved myself a whole lot of bother if the Irish Times archive was working, but it's working now and I think we have found 'Eva' !!!
Irish Times - Friday, April 28, 1933 - Page 3
MR. J DONEGAN & MISS G TALLON.
The marriage took place last Wednesday at St John the Baptist Church, Clontarf of
Mr John Donegan, son of Mr and Mrs E Donegan, Phibsborough, Dublin and Miss Georgina Tallon
daughter of Mr and Mrs James Tallon, Redcourt, Seafield Road, Clontarf Dublin.
The service was conducted by the Very Rev. Conan Dempsey assisted by the Rev
Father O'Keefe, St Anthony's.
The bride wore oyster satin and carried a bouquet of lily of the valley. There were two
bridesmaids - Miss Gabrielle Donegan, sister of the bridegroom and Miss Beatrice Murphy,
niece of the bride. They were each dressed in frocks of French blue gorgette and carried
violets. Mr James Tallon (jr) acted as best man. A reception was held after the ceremony
at Redcourt. The honeymoon is being spent in Monaco.
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Hannah FYI 'Redcourt' was a Victorian redbrick mansion on Seafield Road, Clontarf that burnt down a few years ago, having been bought by property developers. Here is a link to the entrance as it stands now.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ezz/
1939/40 Register has Edward and Mary Donegan with daughter Gabrielle at 21-22 Lower Dorset St, Phibsborough. :D
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Brilliant stuff Hasta! And Monaco, eh? Doesn't sound too shabby. Now, I wonder what he gave as his occupation on the marriage certificate.....
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Fantastic!
Could this be the family?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Glasnevin/St__David_s_Terrace__Blackhorse_Lane/16562
If so....
Possible death for Edward (1936) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTKP-R6J
Birth: Mary Gabriel Donegan (1924) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F197-1PL
Baptism of Edward (1884) - parents John Donegan & Mary Sherwin
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5dfa2a0204125
Edward's sibling Mathew (1886)- is this Michael in 1911?
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/1ae0c00207499
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Hannah I am going to PM you something I just turned up relating to the lawyers handling the estate of the Georgina Donegan and their search for John. It's sort of recent so feels wrong to transcribe here. I really think your mum needs to contact them.
I think I need a lie down !!
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Morning.
Wow! My head is spinning with all the amazing information you have discovered - a wife, two sons, a sister, a beautiful wedding, Monaco! This is more than I could ever of hoped for and I'm so grateful to you all for all you help.
Hasta I have sent you a PM separately but wanted to acknowledge again your super detective work!
You have all been so helpful and I have so much new information to begin working with to keep building the entire new branch of my family history. It's exciting to find any relative, however distant, but to find and confirm information about your grandfather who has been a mystery all your life means so much. My mother will be exceptionally emotional at being able once and for all to put a name and birthday to her father (although she always knew bits and bobs he is buried under a different name and with a different birthdate, something she has always struggled with).
I'm going to set about ordering certificates, contacting the lawyers in the estate of Georgina, contacting Belvedere (thank you for the email Winterbloom), looking at all the great information you have pieced together aghadowy, trying to find out what happened to Gabrielle and the two sons...phew!
I will keep you updated and thank you all for your continued efforts!
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I'm delighted for you Hannah and hope that you find out all you want to know. Speaking as someone whose own grandfather did a runner and was a complete man of mystery until I discovered his trail (and second family!) in 2011 I have some inkling of how you feel. As you say, keep us posted!
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Good morning
Just by way of an update on what's been happening in relation to my search:
1) I have contacted Belvedere and I am waiting on a response. I'm hoping they will have some records in relation to his attendance there.
2) I have been in touch with the solicitors dealing with Georgina's Estate (the wife he left). She confirmed there were two boys from the marriage (both deceased unfortunately) and also gave other details from the grant of probable which means I now know where the boys children etc are living (Brighton and West Sussex). For the moment I think I'll leave that be.
3)Johns birth certificate finally arrived. I can see his birthday was 4 January 1909 and that his father Edward was listed as a tobacconist. His mother was Mary Mc Geer. I think I have found their marriage in 1907 (where her surname is given as M'Geer) and I'm now trying to find John's sister Gabrielle (?).
My focus for the moment is definitely trying to find any family that may be on John's side especially his sister or any other siblings.
Hannah
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Thanks for updating. Have been wondering how things were going.
If only we knew how old Gabrielle was at the 1933 wedding or in the 1939/40 register. I know that there is a birth record for a 'Mary Gabriel Donegan' in 1924, but I have also found a very strange one for a Mary G. Donegan in Dublin North in 1912. The trouble is, that is all it says - there is no quarter shown, nor a reference number.
Are you going to send for the 1924 certificate? Even if just to rule it out?
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Thanks for the update to a fascinating search :)
Even though I posted the 1924 birth for Mary Gabriel Donegan earlier my thought was that she was a bit young to be bridesmaid (and much younger than the age we now know John was).
Looks like we are back to this family in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Glasnevin/St__David_s_Terrace__Blackhorse_Lane/16562
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Just a note of interest anyone appearing on 1939 reg of electors men had to be over 21 not sure if same for the ladies.
edit later age 30 for women
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/burgesses/about.php
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May have changed to age 21 after 1922
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My mother was on the Electoral register for Dublin in 1930 - aged 21/22.
And her sister born 1910 appears the following year.
regards eadaoin
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Out of interest eadaoin where did you get to see eloctoral roll's for 1930 might help me breakdown a few brick wall's.
Dathai
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Thanks all for the information on trying to pinpoint a possible age for Gabrielle. If we take it that she had to be at least 21 in 1939 that puts a date of birth no later than 1918.
I will send for the 1924 certificate just to cover all bases but I'm intrigued by the 1912 entry you have found Winterbloom as this seems a more likely year. Odd that there is such scant detail.
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wonder could it have anything to do with this one
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBR9-PQ9
in comparison to Winterblooms find
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBRN-L3F
film and folder numbers are the same image number different.
have come across a few cases where people were looking for their birth cert for say their marriage or pension in later life and found they were registered wrongly these certs usually have a reference number on them which gives a seperate statuatory declaration for a change in the register.
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this lady is a distant in law of mine
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amary~%20%2Bsurname%3Apriscilly~&collection_id=1408347
her proper name is Mary Rose Pacelli
In the index books in GRO in any year that a Pacelli was born married or died their name usually appears first under P or just after the name Pace but because of the Pr in her name i could never find her as she was further down the index for names starting with Pr however just in the last few years when i found it noticed she is hand written in ink at the start of the P index and when i purchased it it was re registered in 1962 when she was aged 70 for her pension as Pacelli by statutary declaration by two relatives.
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I'm sure you could ask the GRO to have a look at that one to see if her mothers name is M'Geer.
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That Egan one you have found looks very interesting Dathai. I wonder. It's certainly true what you say, some of the mistranscriptions on what are quite modern Irish records can be surprising. My own mother's maiden name, shown on the register of my birth, bears little relation to the truth!
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Out of interest eadaoin where did you get to see eloctoral roll's for 1930 might help me breakdown a few brick wall's.
it's several years ago! - probably in the National Archive - they have Malahide and Kingstown 1912 1913 -
they've Dublin County from 1921? i think
Dublin City from 1927.
(didn't note whether bits were missing)
My recollection is that you had to order them the day before . . and they're in ED order, so you have to trawl.
they've other Counties - not Wexford or Waterford . .
Pearse St Library has some books - not sure which
regards eadaoin
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Certificates ordered (thanks dathai) so let's see what they say...
As a slight aside does anyone know where might be a good place to get a photo of Upper O'Connell Street in the 1930s? I was just thinking that the Gresham Hotel is likely to have been photographed and as the salon was right next door it may show up. I've had a quick google search with no luck and wondered if anyone had any bright ideas?
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I am a keen fan of a Facebook page called 'Dublin then and now'. They have a terrific selection of old photographs on their site. If you put a posting up, I'm sure somebody would respond.
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Correction to the above - it's called 'Dublin In The Rare Old Times'.
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Thanks (again!!) Winterbloom
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Just to let you know, I put up a request myself on your behalf yesterday. Somebody sent me one from the 1920s this morning but it doesn't show the premises on either side, so I have asked for a wider view, hopefully.
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A very mixed bag here !!
Checked the Electrical reg in Pearse Library yesterday as promised. Eva/Georgina and John both come and go a bit. Broadly fits with what is know already - he is gone after '45 and she is at her parents home (Redcourt)
Now, on to the Donegans Edward, Mary and Gabrielle. From 1941 - 1951 they are all at 27 Philipsbourgh Avenue, Fairview and then they all disappear.
Not a sign anywhere !!! Tried everything I could think of. The database is very restrictive as to how you can search. Gabrielle is for the most part listed as Mary G but it won't allow you to search for a Mary G as it's not in the first name menu. Tried lots of things but couldn't find her or Edward and Mary anywhere after 1951 -62.
However the Philipsburgh Avenue address let me find this newspaper death record for Edward.
DONEGAN (Dublin) Nov. 19, 1959 at the Mater Hospital Edward, beloved husband of Mary Donegan and late of 27 Philipsburgh Avenue Fairview deeply regretted by his loving wife, daughter, brother, relatives and friends. R.I.P Funeral after 10 o'c. Mass from Church of the Visitation. Fairvlew on this Friday morning to Glasnevin.
Thinking the burial record would give me a new address to search I couldn't stop myself buying the Glasnevin record - thinking I'd find her as informant with an address to follow up on but no informants were listed so my search ground to a halt there.
This is what the Glasnevin record said:
MARY DONEGAN , aged 83. Died 11th Aug 1960 - a Soap merchants widow of 27 Philipsburgh
Avenue. (No informant info)
EDWARD DONEGAN, aged 79. Died 19th Nov 1959 - a Soap Merchant - Royal Hospital for the Incurables. (No informant info)
EDWARD (EAMONN) DONEGAN, aged 3. Died 26 December 1919 - a Soap Merchants Child - 44 Marguerite Road, Glasnevin. (No informant info)
FRANCES GERTRUDE DONEGAN aged 26. Died 22 Jan 1915 - a Soap Merchants Wife - 7 St Patrick's Terrace, North Strand. (there is an image on this so she is Married, died in Child Birth and Informant was Edward Donegan of 5 St David's Terrace NCR)
JOHN DONEGAN, aged 49, died 8 December 1905 - Commercial Traveler - 8 Kings Inn Street. (this also had an image so he is a Widower, and informant is Edward Donegan of 8 Kings Inn Street)
Given the above I then looked for Mary's death in newspapers and found this:
DONEGAN (Dublin)—Aug. 11. 1960. at he Royal Hospltal for Incurables. Donnybrook, Mary Donegan; deeply regretted. R.I.P. Funeral after 10 o'c. Mass. on this (Friday) morning from the Church of the Sacred. Heart. Donnybrook, to GlasnevIn Cemetery.
Obviously the newspaper's and Glasnevin records don't match up which I think is a bit weird.
I think this whole family is missing from 1901 which is a huge pity.
I presume the John that died in 1905 is Edward's father, Can't figure Frances Gertrude out - a sister maybe ??
I mailed Glasnevin to ask why no informants info was available for Mary and Edward and they came back to me today saying they don't have that information after 1920 and would require payment for an archive search. ::) So Hannah if you want to peruse that, you will need to create an account with them and buy credit and contact them again. I think they want €5 (per look up I think)
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/
I'll pm you the details of the lady who emailed me back.
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Re Frances Donegan died childbirth 1915
could this be the child
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBYJ-157
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Mary Donegan born 25th March 1912
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6bccb70176088
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Hello,
Came across this site and thread by chance. Georgina Donegan was my grandmother and John my grandfather. They had three children, two boys and a girl - all deceased now- my mother being the girl. John D left the family in about 1942, Ena got a judicial separation, unusual at the time, due to his behaviour. Looking at this thread, it seems that he went on to have more children. This is huge, because nothing was ever heard of him again after he left. They stayed in touch with Gabrielle (Aunty Gaby). Be great to hear more. I have a few of my mother's memories I could share.
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Hello again,
John did graduate because my mother had a copy of his graduation photo. As I need to post 3 times before I can pm anyone I'll post again in a mo!
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Ok, 3rd post. Did anyone find a pic of the salon? I was told it was called Don Egan's to give it some Spanish flair!
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I have sent you a message as I’d love to talk more. I can’t believe we have found one another! As a family we have so many questions about who John was before he was a part of our family. Thank you so much for your message.
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Frances Gertrude Donegan dtr of Michael John Donegan and Frances Gertrude Brindle deceased
1915
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01388/1570740.pdf
possibly born 1888 in Isle of Man
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5GW-BDC
1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91V-9VY
1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V3-DFV