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Hi,
I've recently discovered a Constable's 1787 census in Westmorland. It was by no means complete - and really just a list of names to places with the man's occupation - but I found one of my ancestors and family on it.
Until then, I wasn't aware that there were other smaller (i.e. not national) 'censuses' . I thought it was 1841-1901 with a few virtually useless national ones in the immediately preceding years.
Does anyone know of any others? Is there a hidden resource out there, or am I the only one who was in the dark? ( wouldn't be the first time!)
Jill.
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I have some indexes for 1811, 1821 and 1831 census indexes for Hackney and Poplar in London. I know there are others. Not sure how you find out about them. Perhaps Genuki can help or your local FHS
Sylviaann
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There is a very good book published by Lochin Publishing.
It's by Colin R Chapman called Pre-1841 Census & Population Listings in the British Isles.
It has an index of all counties/parishes where pre 1841 census are extant.
There were headcounts done in 1801, 1811, 1821 & 1831. A very few of them listed the head of the household and some even named all.
Other listings i.e. pre 1801 include lists made for other reasons such as tithe payers or taxes of various kinds so only show a sub section of the population. Tax lists would mainly show the head only. Other rolls for military purposes would show men of fighting age for example.
The best place to find records of this kind is the local records office or family history society. They are likely to have been published at one time or another.
I have the book so let me know if you want me to look at any particular county or parish.
Cheers,
Pam
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Hi - Cas here,
I would be interested to see if there were useful records 1750-1850 in:
Aberdeen (I know about the 1696 Poll books - I only wish I could get that far! I have several branches around 1770-1820)
Edinburgh (Canongate)
Lanarkshire (Shotts area?)
Ross & Cromarty (Avoch/Black Isle, Lochbroom)
cheers (fingers crossed.....)
Cas Liber in chilly Sydney
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Sorry, meant Aberdeenshire (Aberdeen city, Foveran, Belhelvie, Skene areas of particular interest)
- will ask about English ones another time. SOunds like a great book ;D
Cas
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Hi there,
The September issue of Your family Tree has an article on this very subject. It gives a list of all some areas that have these 'Secret Census Records' in England, Wales, 'Islands', Scotland and Ireland - both North and the Republic, plus the contact details to access them. I would type it in - but it is a lengthy list. (Note: I don't think this is a completely comprehensive list, so there is likely to be other records out there).
For the ones that people have asked about though...
Aberdeenshire - "Glentanar - 1812 'Names list" (Aberdeen and NE Scotland fhs)
Edinburgh - nothing I'm afraid
Lanarkshire - "Lesmahagow, 1783 Examination Roll" (Glasgow City Archives, Mitchell Library, Glasgow)
Ross-shire - "Barvas (Isle of Lewis) 1782, Ecclesiastical census" (National Archives of Scotland)
Cheers,
Clare
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I have some indexes for 1811, 1821 and 1831 census indexes for Hackney and Poplar in London.
Sylviaann
Have you really? Would it be too much trouble to ask if there is anyone with the surname De Boo, or DeBoo, or Deboo on them?
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Sorry lizdb there is nothing like that name in 1811/1821 Hackney or 1821/1831 Poplar
Sylviaann
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Oooh! Exciting :o
Is there anything for Chipping Sodbury or Cromhall, both in Glos??
Regards
Julie :) ;D
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Thanks Sylvia ann for looking
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Another Census
Census of the Catholic Congregation of Preston
1810 and 1820.
This is Preston Lancashire
Jinks
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Hi All,
Here's what "the book" previously referenced has for the areas you are asking about. Most have been mentioned already but I don't want anyone to think I'm ignoring them ;D
I've lifted the entire county entries as I've no idea about the geography of specific parishes.
Aberdeenshire
1801 Birse (people named)
1801 Peterhead
1811 Birse (people named taken in 1812)
1811 Glentanar (people named taken in 1812)
...and the 1695 poll books.
Edinburgh
Decennial: Nothing for the city but yes for Dalkeith, Stow, Inveresk, Roslin.
Lanarkshire
1821 Lesmahagow
Ross-shire
1821 Barras (taken in 1819)
1821 Uig (taken in 1819)
Gloucestershire
1801 Great Badminton
1801 Bristol St Augustine the Less
1801 Hawkesbury
1801 Olveston (people named)
1801 Tortworth
1801 Woolaston (people named)
1811 Great Badminton
1811 Bristol St Augustine the Less
1811 Horsley
1811 Mickleton
1811 Naunton
1811 Rendcombe
1811 Tortworth
1821 Aust
1821 Great Badminton
1821 Barnsley (people named)
1821 Bisley
1821 Bristol St Augustine the Less
1821 Mickleton
1821 Stratton
1821 Stroud
1821 Woolaston
1831 Arlingham (taken 1830)
1831 Bisley
1831 Bitton
1608 Gloucestershire census of men inc occupations can be found in county archive.
1696 "The inhabitants of Bristol in 1696" Bristol Record Society (1968)
1742 Olveston - a list of 125 heads of household hels by Bristol Record Office
1795 Uley - a plan of the village referenced to a named list of occupants. Used in the book "The Story of Uley" 1910
Hope this is of help,
Pam
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I should of said the Decennial census are headcounts unless stated as named.
I have seen the the full 1831 census for Scotland - agin just a headcount, it is fascinating. Not a great use for specific family history but great for understanding teh area our folks lived in.
Pam
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Thanks Pam.....getting to 1696 is a bit of a holy grail...
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Jersey, Channel Island has an Oath of Association Roll dated 1696. These are people who signed the Oath of Allegiance to King James.
Contains the signatures of every male living in Jersey.
Book "Did your ancestors sign the Jersey Oath of Association Roll of 1696" by Alex Glendinning. Available via Channel Islands FHS
Sylviaann
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Boongie Pam,
months have passed and I have found more parishes I'm interested in pre 1841..
Ug - by coincidence I find that a Berwickshire ancestor moved to Stow in 1768 (and who knows could have lived a tad longer). Since I posted I have found LUMSDEN ancestors to'ing and fro'ing between Berwickshire and Midlothian..
thus I noted 'Stow' has a headcount but no names (?)
Anything for Berwickshire, specifically Channelkirk?
Stirlingshire/Polmont
Lanarkshire/Stotts
Incidentally - which ones does it list as named for Warwickshire as the 1821 census for Coleshill has names of head of households (which a very nice friend found on a trip to the Warwickshire record office).
Terrific resource this book :)
cheers
Cas Liber in Sydney Oz
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Hello, I just found this thread !! But it is exactly what I have been looking for since I began my research a few years ago . I have bees stuck on one family , Forbes from Glen Tanar , the name was John Forbes born abt 1799?? Glen Tanar , he then moved to Birse and He married Ann Thow from Angus in 1825 and was a Toll house keeper in the 1840 census. If you could please see if you can find any thing in your book it would be wonderful . I also wondered if his family had a history of toll house keeping ?
thank you Melanie
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Hi Melanie
Pam hasn't been online here since 2012 and I'm unsure as to whether she is still receiving email notifications that we are posting here.
Dawn
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Thank you ..........I took the name of the book (s) . and I will see if my local library can bring one in , or possibly I can find it here on the internet , I have not yet looked there.
Melanie